Would you donate for a new blue server?

[khanable]

I think the "pay2win" sentiment is that you're offering up money to transfer to a server where acquisition of pixels will be faster/easier.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the "pay2win" sentiment is that you're offering up money to transfer to a server where acquisition of pixels will be faster/easier.

See, all of these Class C style arguments make sense until you realize that our endgame isn't classic (variance).

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, all of these Class C style arguments make sense until you realize that our endgame isn't classic (variance).

Without variance though it's even more of an FTE fest.

"Same time next week guys?"
"See you there"

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without variance though it's even more of an FTE fest.

"Same time next week guys?"
"See you there"

And variance fits perfectly with the race that class-C wants. If/when everything is on a strict rotation, there's no need for variance.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without variance though it's even more of an FTE fest.

I am not saying 0 variance would be better; I'm saying that all this pay2win garbage is just that, garbage. Project 2000 would be much more classic.

Anyway, it's not going to happen.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not saying 0 variance would be better; I'm saying that all this pay2win garbage is just that, garbage. Project 2000 would be much more classic.

Anyway, it's not going to happen.

Me and Loraen rarely agree. I wouldn't say 0 variance. Lower it enough to keep the race start time random, but not burn folks out. Limit the amount of people a guild wanting to compete for the mob can have in zone.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the "pay2win" sentiment is that you're offering up money to transfer to a server where acquisition of pixels will be faster/easier.

This. I am not trying to make it sound evil. Pay2win is viable on modern MMO's. A level playing field is something with rules that are easily applicable that all types of players can participate in whether it be casual or hardcore. What you are proposing to have caters to one type of player and you are saying you will pay to have it.

We need to work on the issues with this raid scene with common sense and make concrete rules that are easily understandable with very little gray area....To have a level playing field.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This. I am not trying to make it sound evil. Pay2win is viable on modern MMO's. A level playing field is something with rules that are easily applicable that all types of players can participate in whether it be casual or hardcore. What you are proposing to have caters to one type of player and you are saying you will pay to have it.

We need to work on the issues with this raid scene with common sense and make concrete rules that are easily understandable with very little gray area....To have a level playing field.

Lets run down your list for "level playing field" and see how rotation-enforced server does:
1) easily applicable - not your turn, avoid - check
2) all types of players can participate - you are allowed to play here, by the rules - check
3) casual - will pick P2000 - check
4) hardcore - can play with the easily applicable rules of P2000 or take their business/playtime to P1999 - check

P2000 would cater to casuals, but it does not exclude hardcores. Right now we have a server that caters to hardcores, and excluded casuals until the GMs put their foot down last January. Again, I haven't -won- anything against the PVE game that I did not have on P1999. Are you implying P1999 is not a PVE game? Because there's a lot of your ilk (read: class-C) that argue the competition is not PVP, you and them can't both be right.