I thought players were supposed to play what they wanted to play...

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a game where many classes can't even play on their own, excluding them for a negligible advantage makes one an asshole.


They have every right to be an asshole. We're just saying that they're assholes.

One mans negligible is another mans significant. Say what you want but I absolutely notice a difference having hybrids in my groups. It's not pleasant and I'll continue to prefer not grouping with them when possible. At least til the exp penalties are gone. You have every right to cry about it. Just as I have every right to prefer other classes. When the time comes that thr penalties are gone if my name ends up on some hybrid blacklist and they won't group with me so be it. But I'm pretty sure deep down the hybrid players understand why people don't want to group with them. Instead of crying and blaming the players that simply don't want to waste exp. Why don't we make a "Brad McQuaid and friends are jerks for making my class a hindrance to groups" thread instead? Then we can all cry together instead of arguing amongst ourselves.

Or you can keep calling 80% of the server assholes for not wanting to throw exp away. Either way.

[sox7d]

Rofl at the sentiment here.

I swear if they had it their way the character creation screen would consist of:

• Ogre warrior
• Barbarian rogue (if you have 35k for epic)
• Enchanter
• Troll / Ogre Shaman
• Iksar Monk (because they don't have any penalty)

[kaev]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl at the sentiment here.

I swear if they had it their way the character creation screen would consist of:

• Ogre warrior
• Barbarian rogue (if you have 35k for epic)
• Enchanter
• Troll / Ogre Shaman
• Iksar Monk (because they don't have any penalty)

don't forget:
Dwarf Cleric for +MR and Dwarf Cultural Armor
and of course they need their boxed druid/wizard port-/buff-bots

One can hope that these people will all be euthanized in the name of efficiency the day they can no longer hold a job IRL.

[Loadsamoney]

Do people feel the same way about Bards? Because I'd like to think that a good Bard is worth incurring the EXP penalty for, given the utility they can bring to a group if they know what they're doing.

[mr_jon3s]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do people feel the same way about Bards? Because I'd like to think that a good Bard is worth incurring the EXP penalty for, given the utility they can bring to a group if they know what they're doing.

It depends. Are you a good bard? Everyone loves a good bard that can pull, mez, twist, and fight all at the same time.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by mr_jon3s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends. Are you a good bard? Everyone loves a good bard that can pull, mez, twist, and fight all at the same time.

I could learn to be one, and yes I can do all of that, but that's a lot to ask ONE player to do. So I'm not surprised a lot of people don't want to play a Bard. It's a hard life.

I might play one in the future when their Epic becomes easier to get (through Trak becoming a turn-in spawned mob and not a poopsock).

How well does a Bard do when soloing in melee combat, assuming the Bard has decent equipment, uses the right songs (self haste, target slow, dot, hymn), etc? Can they hold their own when soloing in melee at the higher levels?

[Fatty]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How well does a Bard do when soloing in melee combat, assuming the Bard has decent equipment, uses the right songs (self haste, target slow, dot, hymn), etc? Can they hold their own when soloing in melee at the higher levels?

Just "ok" imo, assuming you're not pbaoe kiting. My bard is low level so I cannot comment on higher levels - It may improve.

I've chosen not to pb kite since that's just not my style. I am not rushing to 60.

As far as 1 on 1 melee combat w/songs, I would like to hear how well bards solo from 30-40+. Thanks

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One mans negligible is another mans significant. Say what you want but I absolutely notice a difference having hybrids in my groups. It's not pleasant and I'll continue to prefer not grouping with them when possible. At least til the exp penalties are gone. You have every right to cry about it. Just as I have every right to prefer other classes. When the time comes that thr penalties are gone if my name ends up on some hybrid blacklist and they won't group with me so be it. But I'm pretty sure deep down the hybrid players understand why people don't want to group with them. Instead of crying and blaming the players that simply don't want to waste exp. Why don't we make a "Brad McQuaid and friends are jerks for making my class a hindrance to groups" thread instead? Then we can all cry together instead of arguing amongst ourselves.

Or you can keep calling 80% of the server assholes for not wanting to throw exp away. Either way.

So you'll continue to not group and avoid someone that might be an awesome person IRL just because of the class they rolled?

Do you hear yourself? Do you know how bigoted and elitist that is? Can you imagine how that player must feel?

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you'll continue to not group and avoid someone that might be an awesome person IRL just because of the class they rolled?

Do you hear yourself? Do you know how bigoted and elitist that is? Can you imagine how that player must feel?

He really doesn't give a shit. People like him would jump at the idea of botting made legal on this server because more pixels.

[Mirana]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you'll continue to not group and avoid someone that might be an awesome person IRL just because of the class they rolled?

Do you hear yourself? Do you know how bigoted and elitist that is? Can you imagine how that player must feel?

Based on this thread, it is very obvious that you are a social person. You gain self worth by improving others. You are the type of person that can't understand why a player would be rejected a group simply because of their class and that is completely ok!

Many other people gain satisfaction through efficiency. It is how their brain works. They strive for maximum output at everything they do. They are not concerned with social customs. They are the kind of player that can't understand why someone would create a suboptimal race/class combination and that is completely ok as well.

However, in neither situation is the player an asshole. They simply play the game for different reasons, because they are different people.