Raid scene: Variance Socking

[G13]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or just do what most servers did on live. new content is FFA. once more than 1 guild is killing new content start it on rotation. lower guilds earn their 'shot' at entering rotation by killing pre determined targets. so easy, no drama, no retardation. then server repops are a FFA race fest.

this psudo competition is pretty silly. it really isnt even competition when you get down to the details of it all.

It's insanity

Not competition

the sock has been going for years on this server. The sock has become this server's worst enemy. It has become this entity, this Thing. It can no longer be controlled, consuming many lives in it's wake. Burning down players left and right. Back when we were creating the sock because of fags and their egos, I knew it would turn into this monster. It's never going to stop. Some ahole always has to find some way to get over on some other ahole and pee in his wheaties. It's just Human Nature.

This server isn't even remotely Classic anymore. It's become this mutant version of EQ where if you don't dedicate your entire life for precious pixels you suck at this game.

Pride/Ego is a helluva drug

[Diro]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's insanity

Not competition

the sock has been going for years on this server. The sock has become this server's worst enemy. It has become this entity, this Thing. It can no longer be controlled, consuming many lives in it's wake. Burning down players left and right. Back when we were creating the sock because of fags and their egos, I knew it would turn into this monster. It's never going to stop. Some ahole always has to find some way to get over on some other ahole and pee in his wheaties. It's just Human Nature.

This server isn't even remotely Classic anymore. It's become this mutant version of EQ where if you don't dedicate your entire life for precious pixels you suck at this game.

Pride/Ego is a helluva drug

This is the fuckin truth. I just don't understand how the class c guilds even remotely have fun spending god knows how many hours waiting for pops. The worst part is they don't even need those drops.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Diro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the fuckin truth. I just don't understand how the class c guilds even remotely have fun spending god knows how many hours waiting for pops. The worst part is they don't even need those drops.

Everyone wants a blood orchid from druu for one toon or another, half of PDs table is fantastic, still have rogues needing RSS from xygoz, still a few monks who'd like bo staff from nex (and it sells well too if you're selling loot rights), my own goddamn warrior needs a shissar and god knows how many people want the boots, and my shaman still needs a PE hammer. Still some select drops that are very good out of these places.

VS legs are still in super high demand as are wizard staves, faydedar shields are hnngg, vox drops prayers, nagafen drops bladestoppers (and cofs are nice :3 ), gore drops prayers, tal isn't a super big deal but it's a long pull and we have OT hammers, sev green scales are always needed, trak has teeth / donals, ct has strings / aon / soul leech / gloves, inny has mage staffs (and eyes, lol), draco has bcg, and maestro has hand but that hasn't really been a priority in a long time given it's a fairly common drop and green scales are less so.

Am I missing anything?

[texwilly]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone wants a blood orchid from druu for one toon or another, half of PDs table is fantastic, still have rogues needing RSS from xygoz, still a few monks who'd like bo staff from nex (and it sells well too if you're selling loot rights), my own goddamn warrior needs a shissar and god knows how many people want the boots, and my shaman still needs a PE hammer. Still some select drops that are very good out of these places.

VS legs are still in super high demand as are wizard staves, faydedar shields are hnngg, vox drops prayers, nagafen drops bladestoppers (and cofs are nice :3 ), gore drops prayers, tal isn't a super big deal but it's a long pull and we have OT hammers, sev green scales are always needed, trak has teeth / donals, ct has strings / aon / soul leech / gloves, inny has mage staffs (and eyes, lol), draco has bcg, and maestro has hand but that hasn't really been a priority in a long time given it's a fairly common drop and green scales are less so.

Am I missing anything?

The problem is, we are gearing alt armies. We don't need these things. We are competing for alt armies.

[Nirgon]

Not having this problem on red

Bring a group over

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by texwilly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is, we are gearing alt armies. We don't need these things. We are competing for alt armies.

I raid on every toon that I've put raid gear on. The same for everyone else. It's about versatility and preparedness.

[texwilly]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I raid on every toon that I've put raid gear on. The same for everyone else. It's about versatility and preparedness.

Want vs. need. When i raided live, 1 out of 10 people had a second main capable of raiding with the guild; at the time, i would have described them as the neckbeards of the group. There simply wasn't enough time in the progression to waste leveling an alt. On top of that, we all actually played our mains (this is also the result of AA, but let's not go there).

[Scoresby]

Originally Posted by texwilly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want vs. need. When i raided live, 1 out of 10 people had a second main capable of raiding with the guild; at the time, i would have described them as the neckbeards of the group. There simply wasn't enough time in the progression to waste leveling an alt. On top of that, we all actually played our mains (this is also the result of AA, but let's not go there).

Emphasis in bold. This is one of the major contributors to the problem we have with our raid scene. Because of variance, the way to win is with numbers (both raw players and max level characters). I never recall top tier guilds fielding anywhere near the number of players guilds do on this server.

It's been beaten to death. We basically have 2-3 servers worth of raid guilds with enough characters in them to support 5+ servers. It's never going to match anyone's classic experience because of this.

It's like buying a pizza for a party only to find out 50 people are coming over rather than 10 and half of them think it's actually an audition for Man vs. Food.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by texwilly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is, we are gearing alt armies. We don't need these things. We are competing for alt armies.

The problem is that alts are necessary with the whole variance thing, because by far the fastest way to get somewhere is to camp out with buffs.

At one point I proposed that people should be able to sacrifice toons for fungi staffs/guises/etc.

In the end it all boils down to lack of progression. If we were in PoP like we should have been, none of this would be a problem.

[JackFlash]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's insanity

Not competition

the sock has been going for years on this server. The sock has become this server's worst enemy. It has become this entity, this Thing. It can no longer be controlled, consuming many lives in it's wake. Burning down players left and right. Back when we were creating the sock because of fags and their egos, I knew it would turn into this monster. It's never going to stop. Some ahole always has to find some way to get over on some other ahole and pee in his wheaties. It's just Human Nature.

This server isn't even remotely Classic anymore. It's become this mutant version of EQ where if you don't dedicate your entire life for precious pixels you suck at this game.

Pride/Ego is a helluva drug

Truth