Stop the Socking

[Daldaen]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

Think they would still say no if this agreement is made though?

Poopsocking is a symptom of the windows.

If people can agree to number in zone/tagging and the time spent on those trackers/taggers is drastically reduced. You'll see far more guilds competing, and less poopsocking (because aforementioned agreement).

If we do the agreement, and variance isn't reduced, it may help Taken/BDA. But I'm not sure who else would enter the fray with 1 tracker, 2 taggers for a 16 hour window.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think they would still say no if this agreement is made though?

I dunno, I was under the assumption no means no.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Racing works better in some zones than others, but I guess thats part of the 'fun' of racing namely each race has its own unique strats and differences to overcome

Its certainly worth a closer look, and I would love to see some footage of races outside of VP bc some zones would be a cluster F to race tru

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Looks pretty good to me. I'd say not a 2 week suspension. Maybe the guild has to sit out the next FFA cycle of that mob. If they make a mistake on one they can't compete on the next. We can probably push it to two if you feel that is too light.