Stop the Socking

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cucs,

Get the ground swell of support for a racing FTE, Taken will oblige and still be there competing under whatever dumb ruleset is forced upon us.

Guess what tho, after 1 month of the 'new' style of FTE raiding...the guilds which dont compete now....will still not.

I guess its a shame no one sees the bigger penis.

( inb4 people quote me and alter my last sentence into something self serving towards my guild )

ftfy

Also, you're wrong.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ftfy

Also, you're wrong.

what am I wrong about exactly?

Where have I supported COH ducking?

I have simply stated that the race doesnt fix poopsocking and if we make changes I would like to see those changes affect whether people shit in socks or not.

No one here that supports a race can deny that you still require both the racer and the tracker to stare at their monitor for X-Y hours.

Even if its reduced to 1 hour variance, you still poopsock for 1 hr.

Lazie,

Can you explain ( bc I honestly dont know ) the role of the other people on the blue pad who are not the official taggers since you allow only 2?

And how are qualifiers not a concern for racing?

- What run speed is allowed?
- What classes are allowed?
- Starting points?
- How do you prove someone broke one of those defined rules?

and why do you have to make me chuckle saying that stuff about a pure and honest competition....then threaten the server that you have a 'secret weapon' faster than COHing but refuse to use it.

wat?

but again, I repeat.

If racing is what gets decided on, then Taken will race.

I am sorry I see the big picture when making a change and not trying to just have a bandaid, flavor of the month solution.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what am I wrong about exactly?


Lazie,

Can you explain ( bc I honestly dont know ) the role of the other people on the blue pad who are not the official taggers since you allow only 2?

And how are qualifiers not a concern for racing?

- What run speed is allowed?
- What classes are allowed?
- Starting points?
- How do you prove someone broke one of those defined rules?

and why do you have to make me chuckle saying that stuff about a pure and honest competition....then threaten the server that you have a 'secret weapon' faster than COHing but refuse to use it.

wat?

but again, I repeat.

If racing is what gets decided on, then Taken will race.

I am sorry I see the big picture when making a change and not trying to just have a bandaid, flavor of the month solution.

We don't only allow 2 in Class C. Majority of those in VP are pullers with a couple buffers. Again you are just inventing ways to disparage something that is true competition.

Instead of responding to the many obvious deflections you are creating in your post (Derogatory comments galore!) I will simply deal in truths. Because you need to stop side tracking this discussion with things you are inventing.

1. Racing is competition and CotH ducking is the luck of when you duck.
2. Racing would include more participants in the FFA cycle. Even without variance reduction.
3. There would be less rules headaches with racing. I know you are trying hard to invent scenarios, but this is a simple truth. Remember that accidental FTE that Taken pulled and killed ? Wouldn't happen. Remember the fit thrown over mages standing on the spawn ? Wouldn't happen.
4. Setting a mandatory number for racers and changing it to 1 tracker will have less people standing on the spawns of mobs and less people from each guild socking the mobs.

I get it while others might not. Calling it a bandaid and saying you are taking a bigger view though is just false. Your views are coming from a position you feel you have power to present and manipulate. It doesn't make the view broader, educated or better in any way. It makes it your opinion that you are staunchly standing on. You are standing on it because you want a change that the GM's have already said no to.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what am I wrong about exactly?

Where have I supported COH ducking?

I have simply stated that the race doesnt fix poopsocking and if we make changes I would like to see those changes affect whether people shit in socks or not.

No one here that supports a race can deny that you still require both the racer and the tracker to stare at their monitor for X-Y hours.

Even if its reduced to 1 hour variance, you still poopsock for 1 hr.

Lazie,

Can you explain ( bc I honestly dont know ) the role of the other people on the blue pad who are not the official taggers since you allow only 2?

And how are qualifiers not a concern for racing?

- What run speed is allowed?
- What classes are allowed?
- Starting points?
- How do you prove someone broke one of those defined rules?

and why do you have to make me chuckle saying that stuff about a pure and honest competition....then threaten the server that you have a 'secret weapon' faster than COHing but refuse to use it.

wat?

but again, I repeat.

If racing is what gets decided on, then Taken will race.

I am sorry I see the big picture when making a change and not trying to just have a bandaid, flavor of the month solution.

You're not crusading for anything other than your own agenda and you should quit trying to fool people into thinking you are.

There is no big picture. The big picture idea was already shot down. We're not getting FFA sim repops or anything like it and we're not getting reduced variance because the server has proven we don't deserve it. The C/R/FFA system is here to stay as is until Velious.

You're promoting either one extreme or the other thinking that that sort of grandstanding is going to get something done.

You know that class R guilds were showing up before coth ducking and now they're not. Your assessment that 1 month will go by before they stop again after this nonsense gets ruled out is completely unfounded and false.

Taken and for some reason Chest are the only people holding on to coth ducking like it's some chip to be played to get us full FFA repops, and it's against the will of 95% of the server.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no big picture. The big picture idea was already shot down. We're not getting FFA sim repops or anything like it and we're not getting reduced variance because the server has proven we don't deserve it. The C/R/FFA system is here to stay as is until Velious.

I don't think any of us are debating for something we think we'd actually see set in place. To me at least, it's just been a debate on what we think would work best.

but,

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken and for some reason Chest are the only people holding on to coth ducking like it's some chip to be played to get us full FFA repops, and it's against the will of 95% of the server.

Still echoes truth, especially if Taken require the act of ducking CoTH to be against the rules to stop.