Stop the Socking

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The one thing you guys arguing against racing need to stop doing is disparaging the views of people who would like to try it. No one is calling you retarded in this thread for presenting your opinions and wishes. Each time a person in this thread posts an opinion that differs from your own, you guys spend hours trying to tear it down before you actually give it the thought it deserves.

And people posting pictures of ducks are suppose to make me smile and jump into an adult conversation?

myself and Trouble already went back and forth on our secret FAP forums about this subject so it was probably left over anamosity from that convo. Apologies.

Like I just stated a couple pages ago either:

Figure out how to police COH ducking and then we can finitely tell anyone who mages to track to not do it or they will get that char banned

Right now 100% of COH ducking by Taken is either done to:

1. Troll TMO/IB into making them COH duck ( who doesnt enjoy trolling TMO? )
2. Compete with the other Taken mage to see who can COH me in first [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have no agenda, no charter, no policy, no nothing in terms of asking our mage trackers to cast coh and interrupt it.

Wanna know how COH ducking started???

It happened as a JOKE. 2 hrs left for Naggy Breaken ( calling you out father of CoH ducking ) decided it would be funny to 'pump fake' TMO and he casted COH then stopped it.

Well TMO's mages there got scared at the thought Taken might have a 5 sec head start than them so they started doing it too.....

There is no nefarious plot here. The rules changed making it very obvious to myself and our raid leaders that a mage coh would provide the quickest route for FTE.

I pretty much assumed everyone would also see that.

We plvled 1 mage in 1 week and thats all. Never intended to shit up the raid scene or anything dumb like that, simply digested what the rule change meant and adapted what was a successful strat.

back to this topic.....

The title of this thread is called Stop the Socking.

Racing is still poopsocking. Dald pointed out why very clearly so go reread what he said, I am not going to rehash it.

It can be debated whether its actually better than a mage COH version of FTE or not ( it is certainly better than coh ducking but whether its that much better than mage tracking is personal opinion )

the point of this thread was to figure out how people would stop shitting in socks to the extreme measure we do now. its impossible to not 'wait' for things in this game, its how it was designed but there could certainly be tweaks made so the poopsock game could be made obsolete.

Larger variance windows does not make poopsocking obsolete, it only creates a higher barrier of entry for raiding - see VS pit

Racing for FTE does not make poopsocking obsolete- watch Hoku's FTE of Phara Dar....there are way more than 2 'racers' out there herp derping around

Viscereal had a PD fte video too, not sure if that was before you guys had official race rules, but there were like 10+ people charging around from your 2 guilds

- apparently you are allowed to have 'trainers' n such follow your FTE racers?
( I could be completely wrong so maybe I need the full scope of 'what is allowed' in a race)

sorry for the wall of text, but I have given racing plenty of thought. It was brought forth as an idea to me from Mazam like 4-5 months ago and I expressed the exact same concerns I have today.

Racing does not work without maps, guidelines, starting points, qualifiers, fraps, evidence gathering, and a large neckbeardy roster who can have people waiting at the starting point for the 16 hrs.

Why in the world is that a better solution to anything?

again tho, if racing is deemed the way to go, Taken will race.

then will be blamed for something else [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Racing does not work without maps, guidelines, starting points, qualifiers, fraps, evidence gathering, and a large neckbeardy roster who can have people waiting at the starting point for the 16 hrs.

Most of these concerns again are false and just more ways you invent to disparage the idea. It really doesn't make sense either because the problems you seem to be trying to invent are largely problems you have to face with CotHing.

1. You have 1 tracker outside the racers. You don't need a map. This is better than the current CotH'ing as you have less people near spawns.
2. You don't need fraps or evidence gathering. 2 racers from a guild is easy to follow and police without headaches.
3. Reduce variance. Also waiting at the starting point is the same as being ready to CotH for 16 hours. Again seems like you are describing the problems with what we currently have.. not what we could have. Although it has been said many times...put lower variance into your proposal.
4. Starting points already exist with CotH'ing.

I will make another point because I have seen you post something a few times now. We in TMO have strategies faster than CotHing that doesn't involve CotH ducking. CotHing was never very innovative or appealing to us to ever do because competition that is fair to everyone is what most of us desire. We chose not to implement strategies to this point to push this to even further extremes. I just want you to personally know this was never an "Arms race". We can turn it into that whenever we choose. Yet we don't. Because we hope common sense eventually wins out.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. You don't need fraps or evidence gathering. 2 racers from a guild is easy to follow and police without headaches.

LOL Are you kidding me??? wtf

edit providing you a link to why this would not work: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=168758&page=2

Evidence is posted then forumquested into demanding more evidence with logs and timestamps with satellite images with tells and locs by more then 1 person at the same time...

even though the evidence was clear it was still spun and pissed on by TMO to demand more evidence and spin rules to favor themselves.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL Are you kidding me??? wtf

Nope not kidding. It would never arise.

Edit: As for your edit. That shows exactly what having too many people at the spawn causes. Drama and petitions.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope not kidding. It would never arise.

Edit: As for your edit. That shows exactly what having too many people at the spawn causes. Drama and petitions.

that shows that TMO will do anything they can to get mobs..by allowing FFA on sim repop they would lose mobs.. its all about TMO here... you say this is about Takens Agenda.. but in reality its about TMO.. explain to me how FFA sim repop (not in a wall of text) would be bad for anyone and NOT allow for true competition?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Amirite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that shows that TMO will do anything they can to get mobs..by allowing FFA on sim repop they would lose mobs.. its all about TMO here... you say this is about Takens Agenda.. but in reality its about TMO.. explain to me how FFA sim repop (not in a wall of text) would be bad for anyone and NOT allow for true competition?

False. Trust me we have quite a few strategies that could have taken this to further extremes. We don't use them.

[Amirite]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amirite
that shows that TMO will do anything they can to get mobs..by allowing FFA on sim repop they would lose mobs.. its all about TMO here... you say this is about Takens Agenda.. but in reality its about TMO.. explain to me how FFA sim repop (not in a wall of text) would be bad for anyone and NOT allow for true competition?

False. Trust me we have quite a few strategies that could have taken this to further extremes. We don't use them.

i'm not seeing an answer? this only explains that TMO already has strats in place to win FFA mobs using "foot racing"..again trying to push foot racing (their own agenda) which would guarantee them mobs.

which in turn states that FFA only on sim repops would get rid of such possibilities and focuses on TRUE competition...

[Komodon]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It happened as a JOKE. 2 hrs left for Naggy Breaken ( calling you out father of CoH ducking ) decided it would be funny to 'pump fake' TMO and he casted COH then stopped it.

Well TMO's mages there got scared at the thought Taken might have a 5 sec head start than them so they started doing it too.....

Prior to playing on p99 i actually spent a few years playing/raiding with Breaken in a pretty close knit guild. Having obviously gone our separate ways since then, on multiple occasions now he's always made it a point to express his distaste for TMO, under the usual claims that our play style ruins the server.

Reading that i can now firmly place the blame of coth ducking at his feet just made my night. For that you have my thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]