Stop the Socking

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid scene is fine the way it is, why people trying to fix what isn't broken?


You think its bad now then you must have not been around for what raiding was before. You people won't ever be happy, just go play on a GM server so you can do whatever you want in the pixels you want, and summon any content you want to kill. Obviously p99 isn't the experience some of you are seeking.

This guy speaks truth.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Cyrano [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy speaks truth.

I can agree with this also. I am just trying to point out the wholesale changes people are asking for aren't going to happen. The things they should ask for need to be something both styles of raiding will compromise on.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can agree with this also. I am just trying to point out the wholesale changes people are asking for aren't going to happen. The things they should ask for need to be something both styles of raiding will compromise on.

so here's a question then....

What does C want?

many cite no change at all or even better, remove most the current rulesets...

If Class R doesnt know what kind of things Class C wants, it makes it very hard to find a middle ground to compromise

( hence why FFAs are such clusters and why R's solution has been to essentially get rid of the only time where C/R meet on the battle field on a regular basis )

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so here's a question then....

What does C want?

many cite no change at all or even better, remove most the current rulesets...

If Class R doesnt know what kind of things Class C wants, it makes it very hard to find a middle ground to compromise

( hence why FFAs are such clusters and why R's solution has been to essentially get rid of the only time where C/R meet on the battle field on a regular basis )

Less rules is better. Using CotH to me is the same as gating to a spawn. Which the staff has a firm stance against.

This isn't to open a can of worms, but the truth needs to be admitted here. Taken first tried to gate to spawns on FFA mobs. They were also the first to put mages on FFA spawns. We were clear from Day one we would rather race. I personally want to race and what Haynor just posted is an even better resolution. The only thing is with Haynor's resolution it comes down to people being at character select instead of in game. The poopsock is still there it's just has the extra barrier of hitting "Enter World".

Class C raids every week with the rules they prefer and have minimal problems or headaches regardless of what some folks outside of Class C says. The reason why is the rules are limited and simple to follow. I think applying something similar to FFA and lowering the variance would have an effect you guys would appreciate in the long run. You just can't see it until you apply it to practice.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't to open a can of worms, but the truth needs to be admitted here. Taken first tried to gate to spawns on FFA mobs. They were also the first to put mages on FFA spawns. We were clear from Day one we would rather race.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot...e_kettle_black

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot...e_kettle_black

False. This isn't RNF btw. Try to act with decorum of the forum we post in. I understand you want to deflect blame, but remember most of us were there on those spawns and saw it with our own eyes.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. This isn't RNF btw. Try to act with decorum of the forum we post in. I understand you want to deflect blame, but remember most of us were there on those spawns and saw it with our own eyes.

I know its not RnF. maybe you should think about that before taking more shots at us and get back to the actual subject, instead of blaming Taken for all of your troubles. Because guess what, you are no better. And that was the point I was making.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False. This isn't RNF btw. Try to act with decorum of the forum we post in. I understand you want to deflect blame, but remember most of us were there on those spawns and saw it with our own eyes.

Don't think I was at either gategate or CotHgate.

But I believe the gate situation was... nagafen?

We saw what TMO and IB did on the previous one or two FFAs. You'd aggro all the FGs and train them away while a 52 warrior and 52 Donals Cleric offtanked nagafen while the rest of you dealt with your train.

We saw that and figured, we don't have any Donals but would still like to compete, so we decided to bind a few clerics and druids there so that we could do the same strategy of training away Giants while offtanking the dragon while the main force kills said Giants.

Ended up getting a ruling that binding nearby was not allowed.

Regardless to quote Unbrella:

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 needs fewer rules. The more rules you've created the less creativity there is for overcoming 'competition' and more creativity in rule lawyering the grey area.

A rule was added which reduced creativity as a result of rule lawyering. We had an obstacle we met (not being able to utilize the same strategy that allowed our competition to offtank a dragon while the real challenge the 20 fire giant train is dealt with), we decided we didn't want to farm 400k to buy one so we came up with that strategy, which was a creative way to allow us to compete.

Your guilds didn't need to gate since you could just face track with your MT and BP Cleric and duo Naggy while the rest of the force lazily clears in or deals with the trains.

CotHing I'm pretty sure was just the raid leaders figuring that everyone read the rules the same and that CotHing to engage was the next clear path of FTE. There was even discussion about it beforehand whether it should be allowed or not on these forums.

After the first dragon everyone did it, whether we were there or not. Pretty sure this is still the case. How was FFA VS at 4 AM? A foot race or a CotH race? Genuinely curious... Cause I don't think you have foot racers chilling for FFA targets when we aren't even there. You bring Mages regardless.