holo vs holo

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

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Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep? We crootin brah, and we gonna need every member we have and more to start raiding in velious.

I'm honestly curious...

Your plan is to keep recruiting members and dominate the server with a zerg?

say azrael stops attempting to contest all together. Will holo still continue to recruit?

based on what you are telling me (not sure is srs).. you are going to recruit until there is no competition at all.. using "velious around the corner"(not sure is srs again) and "recruit and contest" as an excuse?

what is the long term game plan? what is the goal? when you achieve your goal then what?

will it ever even be possible for another guild on red to recruit enough players to even contest holocausts numbers? you say you have low lvls in rags so you need more people. Well from what i hear those people are gaining levels and epics every day. So what happens when holocaust is 80-100 strong with geared high lvl toons?

all srs questions.

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Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm honestly curious...

Your plan is to keep recruiting members and dominate the server with a zerg?

say azrael stops attempting to contest all together. Will holo still continue to recruit?

based on what you are telling me (not sure is srs).. you are going to recruit until there is no competition at all.. using "velious around the corner"(not sure is srs again) and "recruit and contest" as an excuse?

what is the long term game plan? what is the goal? when you achieve your goal then what?

will it ever even be possible for another guild on red to recruit enough players to even contest holocausts numbers? you say you have low lvls in rags so you need more people. Well from what i hear those people are gaining levels and epics every day. So what happens when holocaust is 80-100 strong with geared high lvl toons?

all srs questions.

If you know anything about velious dragons then you would know that these numbers ARE needed to drop them. From everything I heard Velious is right around the corner only months away.

Azrael doesn't seem to be living in reality, it's like they believe Kunark will last forever. They are TOO selfish to take the time to gear out lower lvl's they would rather horde all the loot or RMT it. Who is gonna join a guild that won't reward them anything for the hard work and dedication they put into helping the guild.

We have taken no steps whatsoever to defeat Azrael, they do a fine enough job of that on they're own. We took player's in rags and formed an elite raiding guild that now dominates the server.

Why can't someone else do that? What's stopping them? I'll give you the answer it's a poor attitude. They want everything handed to them, and aren't willing to work for it.

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?

Yeah they should considering that 60 is likely to be a rather small size for a guild if/when velious releases. I am sure that instead of that you're going to see Azrael numbers dwindle back down and some people will leave and join holocaust. That is what happens when you have a guild that operates like nihilum (officer's/core first,mysterious loot decisions) that is missing the key ingredient which is success in killing raid targets.


Azrael isn't a fun place to be. Azrael is full of back stabbing benedict arnolds all out for themselves and they know it and have known it for years which is why you have a guild full of people with a mentality that recruiting is a bogus way to operate. Because they know that every new mouth is one that is taking pixels out of their own.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah they should considering that 60 is likely to be a rather small size for a guild if/when velious releases. I am sure that instead of that you're going to see Azrael numbers dwindle back down and some people will leave and join holocaust. That is what happens when you have a guild that operates like nihilum (officer's/core first,mysterious loot decisions) that is missing the key ingredient which is success in killing raid targets.


Azrael isn't a fun place to be. Azrael is full of back stabbing benedict arnolds all out for themselves and they know it and have known it for years which is why you have a guild full of people with a mentality that recruiting is a bogus way to operate. Because they know that every new mouth is one that is taking pixels out of their own.

Lol, pretty sure if lite wanted to, he could have recruited most of Nihilum after they got disbanded. Nobody in Nihilum cared who they were guilded with as long as they had a spot at the pixel trough. Nice try at being righteous though.

Level 30 in vp gear, lol.

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Originally Posted by Eslade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, pretty sure if lite wanted to, he could have recruited most of Nihilum after they got disbanded. Nobody in Nihilum cared who they were guilded with as long as they had a spot at the pixel trough. Nice try at being righteous though.

Level 30 in vp gear, lol.

So now Lite doesn't care, did he not care when he stayed up 72 hours straight corpse camping us? Did he not care when spent two days raising faction in erudin to try and take our bind?

Seriously man buy a clue.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So now Lite doesn't care, did he not care when he stayed up 72 hours straight corpse camping us? Did he not care when spent two days raising faction in erudin to try and take our bind?

Seriously man buy a clue.

Didn't say lite doesn't care. I'm saying that lite had a line that he didn't want to cross. That line being that he didn't want to guild a bunch of people that were basically warm bodies just for the sake of getting more pixels. He kept the crew that was already with azrael.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Eslade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't say lite doesn't care. I'm saying that lite had a line that he didn't want to cross. That line being that he didn't want to guild a bunch of people that were basically warm bodies just for the sake of getting more pixels. He kept the crew that was already with azrael.

Like Stasis and North?

The reason why there isn't more Ex-Nihilum in Azrael is because they didn't app. But keep drinking that cool-aid.