so the gm`s (sirken & derubael) blame the red community

[Buhbuh]

I don't think anyone's calling out the GM's in this thread.

It is kind of interesting, though, that red, being the war zone that it sometimes is, has fewer GM's for its oversight. It's definitely a smaller server, but there's very few GM's even watching events unfold.

It's unfortunate that that's a necessity to recover what people think of as "fairness" here, but I've suggested in the past that the staff recruit several people as strictly Red guides without seeing much momentum.

I don't think they're doing a fucked up job with this server, we just don't have anyone to watch the population when shit gets out of hand. Regardless of what some of us may believe about having rules in the first place, we do have rules here and virtually no way to enforce them (even fraps doesn't suffice at times). I'm not overly fond of GM intervention, but as of late there's been a very public, blatant disregard for the rules among the player base, and without the oversight of anyone to enforce it, it will only continue.

To be frank, that's been the routine from day one. Yes, some of us will get the ban hammer when GM's are online, but the majority of us won't - and that's where things get murky. People aren't afraid to do stupid shit here because the likelihood of retribution is not only improbable, but unlikely to happen within a reasonable timeframe.

It's pretty clear the player base can't do it all on their own despite its many, sometimes half-hearted, efforts. I'd also venture to say, again, that without making an example of a handful of people, it will just continue.

There is a good reason Vallon and Rallos Zek were the higher populated servers between the four PvP servers, and I can tell you for certain that the cultures there were much more forgiving and player friendly (despite your feelings of how blue that is). If your most fond memories of EQ are bind camping, CCing, training - then I can see the reticence of wanting to change. But if your most fond memories were good mass PvP battles, smaller PvP skirmishes, or real competitiveness - well...

We've all got our work cut out for us.

[Vharvest]

Buhbuh so wise, glad he's in my guild. SPEAK IT BROTHER

[Farzo]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yikes, immersion level critical.

[Niedar]

Originally Posted by Vharvest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been on the box less than a month and I'm astonished at the behavior of Azrael. There is no level they won't stoop to. If it only takes on CT to bring out this side of them, I can only imagine what's going to happen when they lose Trak or, heaven forbid, another guild steps in to Veeshan's Peak.

Back a scared animal in to a corner and the claws come out.

I have been on this box for a couple days and a new player to everquest entirely if you don't count the level 8 enchanter I made on the blue server like a year ago. There sure is a lot of whining and crying on the forums for a pvp community.

[Potus]

There is a toxic community. But who let that shit fester for so long? They mention first impressions, how about releasing an insanely buggy, broken server with horrible rulesets and awful resist coding?

It's just as much the GMs' fault as it is the playerbase. When you don't have a GM around to police training and corpse camping and obvious RMT'ing then yeah the server is going to fail. You can't then turn around and be like "Whoa look at these bad apples, shame on you!"

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone's calling out the GM's in this thread.

It is kind of interesting, though, that red, being the war zone that it sometimes is, has fewer GM's for its oversight. It's definitely a smaller server, but there's very few GM's even watching events unfold.

It's unfortunate that that's a necessity to recover what people think of as "fairness" here, but I've suggested in the past that the staff recruit several people as strictly Red guides without seeing much momentum.

I don't think they're doing a fucked up job with this server, we just don't have anyone to watch the population when shit gets out of hand. Regardless of what some of us may believe about having rules in the first place, we do have rules here and virtually no way to enforce them (even fraps doesn't suffice at times). I'm not overly fond of GM intervention, but as of late there's been a very public, blatant disregard for the rules among the player base, and without the oversight of anyone to enforce it, it will only continue.

To be frank, that's been the routine from day one. Yes, some of us will get the ban hammer when GM's are online, but the majority of us won't - and that's where things get murky. People aren't afraid to do stupid shit here because the likelihood of retribution is not only improbable, but unlikely to happen within a reasonable timeframe.

It's pretty clear the player base can't do it all on their own despite its many, sometimes half-hearted, efforts. I'd also venture to say, again, that without making an example of a handful of people, it will just continue.

There is a good reason Vallon and Rallos Zek were the higher populated servers between the four PvP servers, and I can tell you for certain that the cultures there were much more forgiving and player friendly (despite your feelings of how blue that is). If your most fond memories of EQ are bind camping, CCing, training - then I can see the reticence of wanting to change. But if your most fond memories were good mass PvP battles, smaller PvP skirmishes, or real competitiveness - well...

We've all got our work cut out for us.

I take it you weren't at the fight? Because it was like 40 mins long, and def wasn't over after a train.

In the middle I thought we were going to lose. Mostly the Nihi grp doing work tho, Gongshow Onepunch Tune Deka Weta etc etc were the heavy hitters of the fight - duh.

[Stasis01]

And I bet you see more people showing up to a fight like that - maybe not though, but I bet all sides had some fun.

Plus they took Tal and Sev, not too shabby for second place.

[Buhbuh]

Yeah, there's an equal responsibility. At first, I would have said it's entirely up to the population to police themselves, but we certainly aren't going to change and start acting civil now (for some retarded reason), so at some point the GM's will have to concede that and work around us.

I wasn't talking about today, Stasis. I don't think whether the train ended the battle today or not is even relevant to the underlying issue, though. The fact that the train even happened and, as per usual, no GM saw it, no GM will likely see it and nothing will be done about it, is more the concern.

It's an unqualified rule - not a "if the competition doesn't end with the train, that's an extenuating circumstance on the rule."

It's a problem with consistency more than anything.

[Stasis01]

Def not at the fight.

[Buhbuh]

Are you okay?