so the gm`s (sirken & derubael) blame the red community

[Buhbuh]

I don't think anyone's calling out the GM's in this thread.

It is kind of interesting, though, that red, being the war zone that it sometimes is, has fewer GM's for its oversight. It's definitely a smaller server, but there's very few GM's even watching events unfold.

It's unfortunate that that's a necessity to recover what people think of as "fairness" here, but I've suggested in the past that the staff recruit several people as strictly Red guides without seeing much momentum.

I don't think they're doing a fucked up job with this server, we just don't have anyone to watch the population when shit gets out of hand. Regardless of what some of us may believe about having rules in the first place, we do have rules here and virtually no way to enforce them (even fraps doesn't suffice at times). I'm not overly fond of GM intervention, but as of late there's been a very public, blatant disregard for the rules among the player base, and without the oversight of anyone to enforce it, it will only continue.

To be frank, that's been the routine from day one. Yes, some of us will get the ban hammer when GM's are online, but the majority of us won't - and that's where things get murky. People aren't afraid to do stupid shit here because the likelihood of retribution is not only improbable, but unlikely to happen within a reasonable timeframe.

It's pretty clear the player base can't do it all on their own despite its many, sometimes half-hearted, efforts. I'd also venture to say, again, that without making an example of a handful of people, it will just continue.

There is a good reason Vallon and Rallos Zek were the higher populated servers between the four PvP servers, and I can tell you for certain that the cultures there were much more forgiving and player friendly (despite your feelings of how blue that is). If your most fond memories of EQ are bind camping, CCing, training - then I can see the reticence of wanting to change. But if your most fond memories were good mass PvP battles, smaller PvP skirmishes, or real competitiveness - well...

We've all got our work cut out for us.