Real Question here

[Raev]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The modifications to try to make raid "competition" less asinine have completely backfired. The server staff used to care about reducing retarded sock-fests, because it is a huge waste of everyone's time. But now sock-fests seem to be encouraged? I don't get it.

Tracking for 96 hours is also a huge waste of everyone's time. I'm sure Sirken and Derubael have Rool's attitude: "We reduced the variance and so you asshats started socking. If you want to stop wasting time, talk to each other and stop doing it". Phiren has a post on the raid discussion forums which was completely ignored by everyone who is doing the CoH ducking.

It's just not an easy problem to fix: the Kunark targets are simply too easy. I think the only legitimate competition is repops, an idea which was actually shot down during the negotiations last year because a) TMO/FE knew they wouldn't get nearly as many mobs if they weren't able to neckbeard out and b) TMO/FE claimed they wouldn't have anything better to do with their lives if they couldn't poopsock. In hind sight, all those posts by Unbrella about how he loved the competition with TMO look more than a little silly. Or would, if they weren't deleted. CONSPIRACY NP.

Quite frankly, I would even be willing to accept the Doraf system (8 repops a month, no normal spawns, everything FFA) as long as all L50+ characters got teleported to a city zone so the advantage of camping 10 different alt armies at every target was minimized. Not that my opinion really matters.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sock-fests are encouraged only because Class C wanted them.

When they came to the table, people suggested a complete rotation to prevent the need to track entire windows but instead check hourly or bi-hourly whether the mob had spawned. Naturally IB and TMO shot down a rotation system, which led us to where we are currently with the Class system.

If there were no Class C/R, and everything were rotated and you were allowed to do your ridiculous competition in VP, with FFA respawns, there would be no sock-fests unless you want them in VP.

Sock-fests are necessities to Class C (with short windows), it's competitive, and no loot means a failing Class C guild. But trust me, I'm in Class C, and I'd say the majority of us don't "want" sock-fests. Also, don't get me started on a complete rotation, we both know that's not what EQ was intended to be - a single instanced world means competing for a finite number of spawns. The day P99 goes to a complete rotation will be my last day on the server (but maybe that's what needs to happen.)

A possible partial solution is to add variance back to VP, but not outside of VP. I also wouldn't be opposed to FFA VP repops, to get other guilds in there and maybe increase the chance that they will jump to Class C (the intended result of the class system). I still want more competition, even with IBs recent success.

edit: And yes, I also know that EQ wasn't intended to be stuck on Kunark for 4 years. But it creates some interesting problems!

[Ravager]

If only there existed a server with no rules and direct competition was the whole point. You people complaining about the rules could go there and be happy, and the people who want rules and rotations could stay here and be happy.