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[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. I believe the existence of a supernatural realm is unlikely, and there is not enough evidence to support such a claim. I am not definitively claiming it doesn't exist either; that would also be an unsubstantiated claim.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's stillman explanation without evidence. It's akin to claiming that Thor exists because lightning.

Some might look at your analogy, "Thor exists because lightning" and be able to look past some of the holes (faith) and believe it.

You are able to look past some of the holes in evolution and believe it. Countless pages have danced around this very point. There are gaps in the theory of evolution, but some are willing to look past those gaps. I know, because I did too...for a long time.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I started out, it wasn't me looking for design. I started by just observing all of the things taking place. Orbit of the planets, cells and building blocks of life, physics and all of the natural laws, you name it. Countless months just contemplating questions that came to mind after observing the world in which we live.

After a while I started to look at how perfect it all was. While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous. When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

When I came to the conclusion that a creator of some sort must exist then I started going back to revisit the various religions. Could any of them have any truth? Keep in mind the first 3 decades of my life said absolutely not. I'm currently a Christian - probably a toddler, maybe even an infant in my faith. If I'm unable to reconcile some of my current struggles with the faith then I'll move on and look at other religions for answers.

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

[G13]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's antihistorical garbage. In Mein Kampf, Hitler declares several times that he's doing god's work by exterminating the Jews. Furthermore, the Vatican refused to ban this outrageously anti-Semitic propaganda when they were in the business of banning any literature that they didn't deem appropriate at the time. In the SS, when you took your compulsory oath to the Führer, you were expected to say, "I swear by almighty god, undying fealty." On your belt, if you were soldiered in the Nazi army, you had to wear a buckle that read, "Gott mit uns"; German for "God on our side".

Like every other form of totalitarianism and fanaticism, this was religious in and of itself.

If you're seriously trying to claim Hitler was a Christian than you're even a bigger moron than previously thought

Hitler stated National Socialism and religion could not coexist. He considered religion an invention of the Jew. The Swastika is symbolism for the black sun. Hitler was heavily influenced by Blavatsky

There are many books out there reveal a lot of Hitler's private thoughts on Christianity and Religion. You're too lazy and stupid though to actually try and learn something

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some might look at your analogy, "Thor exists because lightning" and be able to look past some of the holes (faith) and believe it.

You are able to look past some of the holes in evolution and believe it. Countless pages have danced around this very point. There are gaps in the theory of evolution, but some are willing to look past those gaps. I know, because I did too...for a long time.

This is Christian apologetics at its finest.
"Evolution has holes" omitting the fact that more and more goes are filled with each new discovery across various fields.
"Faith also has holes" omitting the fact that the more we learn about the universe, the more holes are found in faith based ideologies across the board.

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is Christian apologetics at its finest.
"Evolution has holes" omitting the fact that more and more goes are filled with each new discovery across various fields.
"Faith also has holes" omitting the fact that the more we learn about the universe, the more holes are found in faith based ideologies across the board.

Gaps not goes

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

"While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous."

So did you read my post? My whole decision for believing in a creator was examining the odds. What are the odds that all of this came about in just the perfect way? Each law requiring such exact perfection with such low tolerance for error. The odds are so ridiculous that I just can't believe that we live in that 1[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]hugefuckingnumber) that came through.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

Ruling that out as impossible is jumping to a conclusion without sufficient evidence. I'm not saying it's true by pointing this out to you, just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

Just because you believe something to be true in your mind doesn't mean it's true in reality. Something is either true or it isn't, regardless of how much you want to believe it to be.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

Oh hi r00t.