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[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the constant whining and bitching from the pussies in "Boyz in tha Hood" has fucked over the server more than anything.

You act like I was on 24/7 making complaints, I played a total of three days? I spent most of my time loading my guild bank with Kael MQ's and CS gems instead of pvping. The only time I got murked was because I went down into the warrens for a minute to help out lower level people, and the same lower level people got paid off by Holocaust members to disband and drop me 4v1 which isn't hard considering I'm a cleric and they've got four mages on me.

Then when big Holocaust came in THREE seconds later to loot my stuff and link it in /ooc for the E-peen points, I just lol'd picked up my phone and went to the bar for the rest of the night... I come back several hours later and Holocaust is still bragging about killing a level 20 something cleric.

Point is I never complained, and I never played seriously but you're assuming that because of my tag that I just consistently bitch? Dude I'm sorry but I wasn't the one who was logging 18+ hours a day doing nothing more than spamming the following:

/who all Warrens
/who all blackburrow
/who all qeynos2

So I actually had LESS to bitch about, while I can recall holocaust whining about the anonymous function damn near daily, because it stops them from griefing level 5's for a total of 1.5 seconds (the time it takes to type out the zone name)

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Abacab *****h [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You act like I was on 24/7 making complaints, I played a total of three days? I spent most of my time loading my guild bank with Kael MQ's and CS gems instead of pvping. The only time I got murked was because I went down into the warrens for a minute to help out lower level people, and the same lower level people got paid off by Holocaust members to disband and drop me 4v1 which isn't hard considering I'm a cleric and they've got four mages on me.

Then when big Holocaust came in THREE seconds later to loot my stuff and link it in /ooc for the E-peen points, I just lol'd picked up my phone and went to the bar for the rest of the night... I come back several hours later and Holocaust is still bragging about killing a level 20 something cleric.

Point is I never complained, and I never played seriously but you're assuming that because of my tag that I just consistently bitch? Dude I'm sorry but I wasn't the one who was logging 18+ hours a day doing nothing more than spamming the following:

/who all Warrens
/who all blackburrow
/who all qeynos2

So I actually had LESS to bitch about, while I can recall holocaust whining about the anonymous function damn near daily, because it stops them from griefing level 5's for a total of 1.5 seconds (the time it takes to type out the zone name)

This probably warrants a huge "u mad bro?" but just to clear something up I wasn't really addressing you. Surprisingly you were probably the least annoying boyz member.

I don't think you can say that no one used any talent. Talent is relative. If you're using locate corpse to track corpses and NO ONE else on the server understands the usefulness of this method, that's arguably talent. I guess it's not a huge achievement since the vast majority of the server were undeniably terrible players so having relative talent meant nothing.

[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This probably warrants a huge "u mad bro?" but just to clear something up I wasn't really addressing you. Surprisingly you were probably the least annoying boyz member.

I don't think you can say that no one used any talent. Talent is relative. If you're using locate corpse to track corpses and NO ONE else on the server understands the usefulness of this method, that's arguably talent. I guess it's not a huge achievement since the vast majority of the server were undeniably terrible players so having relative talent meant nothing.

Cause clicking one spell icon is considered talent? By that definition me hitting the open E on my bass guitar is musical talent paramount to being the next Mozart, because no one else is currently doing it right now.

It takes absolutely zero talent, to get a full group of nothing but casters and use seek and destroy methods to wreak havoc on people half your level. If you were a rogue and you managed to fend off a druid, using pumice stones when needed, knowing what poisons to stack and when, I'd argue that takes some talent and or intelligence on your part because you're at a very strict disadvantage simply by class choice, but as I said rolling mage and using /pet attack and hotkeying an instant gate potion is hardly talent, considering mages were handed their epics via auto-scriber and the pets hit for an excess of what 200+?

I was the first person to recognize Kael armor was clickable at level 1, which means depending on your class you could have 700 pt AoE heals, clicky drones of doom spells, level 60 DS shields etc. etc. that were easily farmable at level 30. Was that talent knowing and exploiting this? No, but it was intelligent because they were amazing at saving mana and freeing up spell slots for more useful things.

But Lazor, weren't you the one bragging on the forum about playing virtual sabotage? Didn't you plan to join the Boyz and do an ALT+G and tell others what zone we were in? The fact we had people doing this from day one didn't help either but it's still kind of funny people like you were willing to play 007 just to grief project 1999 players that you don't really like.

[Lazortag]

Cause clicking one spell icon is considered talent? By that definition me hitting the open E on my bass guitar is musical talent paramount to being the next Mozart, because no one else is currently doing it right now.

It's about knowing when to use these spells. For example since no mobs ever attacked eachother, I'd use corpse locate in empty zones to find and loot player corpses. I found a lot of decent stuff doing this. This is hardly an ingenious idea, but relative to the talent that was mostly present on the server (ie mostly p99 players with no experience doing pvp) it was at least somewhat intelligent.

Consider this: from the beginning people were accusing others who used corpse locate wands of using hacks. This means that the people accusing them didn't know that such a method was available to them, which means that the latter players likely were smarter and more talented than the idiots who don't understand how corpse locate works. I don't think that Holocaust are geniuses, but I think that they were among the most skilled players on the server. Does that say much? No. But at least it says that hacks weren't needed for them to achieve what they did.

But Lazor, weren't you the one bragging on the forum about playing virtual sabotage? Didn't you plan to join the Boyz and do an ALT+G and tell others what zone we were in? The fact we had people doing this from day one didn't help either but it's still kind of funny people like you were willing to play 007 just to grief project 1999 players that you don't really like.

Well, I never actually went through with infiltrating the boyz. Mostly because you guys use vent and I hate voice chat. But this was out of revenge for several of your members ganking me at low levels. Not to say that ganking people is necessarily wrong, but that you should expect someone to get back at you if they can.

I'm not sure how this is really relevant, but I will say that I don't necessarily disagree with what you've argued led to the shittiness of the server.

Especially:

The problem was is there were several things wrong with the server, and several things wrong with pvp balance in the first place due to the client used.

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...people would do nothing more than ... [roll] mages/druids out by the truckload, there was no balance, there was no skill it was simply gangs of casters using cheating programs to blow up people half their level in 5v1 skirmishes in the warrens.

The server was fun, but it was pretty obvious it was a rat race to 60 as the main focal point of the server was grief which it exemplified pretty poorly as battles played out as predator v. prey instead of engagements or zone contestation, and since the mobs were all dumbed down to indifferently the risk of going to a dangerous zone was moot point so there was no mob based defense or offense on that account.

I can't comment on what effect cheating programs had (plus I think it's ironic that you mention it since you frequently admit to using those programs, and additionally the only people I've ever personally seen using them were from your guild!) but I think the rest of the stuff you said was pretty spot on.

Personally (and at this point people can stop reading because this is just what I would have preferred and not a serious suggestion), I think that faction should have mattered (so that you could train people, run to guards, etc.) and that the main cities should have been Paineel and Erudin, with people choosing which one they started in (maybe with some good team/evil team thing going on). I think this because I think /who all zone should have been off from the beginning which would have required a smaller world, so restricting everything to Odus would have been best. Releasing it in its alpha stages with barely any fixes done would have been okay but recognize that eq is already a kind of frustrating game, so when you expose people to a shitty experience with an eq server for a while they just completely lose interest in it like I did. At this point even if a whole bunch of things were fixed I doubt I'd go back.

[Abacab niggah]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't comment on what effect cheating programs had (plus I think it's ironic that you mention it since you frequently admit to using those programs, and additionally the only people I've ever personally seen using them were from your guild!) but I think the rest of the stuff you said was pretty spot on.

I admit to using MySEQ which I use for two things:

1.) My play time is mostly used for farming on Mortalquest, so I use the program to quickly farm pegasus cloaks, jboots, and other triggered spawns, it maximizes my output and I don't have to spend a great deal of time in a zone and risk being jumped at 10% mana as I'm kiting quill.

2.) Since I was farming, I was very vulnerable to ganking so the program was useful because it allowed me to detect other cheaters. For example, a level 45 shaman zones into Chardok, and makes a B-line to my location, which allows me to assume he's using the same program to hunt me down since chardok isn't a small zone with common camps he probably wouldn't know where I was by doing a /who.

I mean I don't have any proof that other people cheated aside from my own statement, but if I had fraps recording my SEQ screen, I could show you several players not in my guild making moves towards players without ever having a tracker or using any spells.

[Koota]

It was fun while it lasted, for me. But the PvP mechanics on the server are beyond botched. As a wizard using Okiel's Levity (Levitate & DS), I got raped by a necro pet. That's it. Just a pet. For some reason, damage shields break root in PvP (wtf?), and that in addition to channeling of spells being all sorts of whacked out, I couldn't root and get away from one. single. necro. pet. So I raged quit. Not leveling back up to 50. But other than the little broken shit like that, it was pretty fun. Wizard nukes are seriously OP, though.