The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did buy Nizzar a PC. But understand the reasons. We would be pvping a lot and he would be BY far the slowest person zonning. I mean like 2 minute zone times it was so bad. I got frustrated one day and told him I would send him a SSD I had laying around. Then after explaining how to install it etc I thought he wouldn't be able to get it working. So I then just decided to send him a PC. Ordered from some place that did all the customs work for me so I didn't have to.

But I am being 100% truthful here. He never once offered to give me items in return. I got nothing but some gratitude for it which was plenty for me. You could also look at our DKP system. I never once got an items out of turn or over anyone else.

So you want us to believe Nizzar couldn't put a computer together and that the only item he ever sold was to sektors in a 3 year period? (because sektors kept begging)

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you want us to believe Nizzar couldn't put a computer together and that the only item he ever sold was to sektors in a 3 year period? (because sektors kept begging)

Wasn't just that. I did not want him to be down while trying to get it installed. I did not want to deal with customs. His PC was very old and I wasn't even sure the SSD would help. New PC was just much easier. Go to website, order, done in 15 minutes.

[quido]

Nizzar is a lying, stealing, cheating piece of shit that should have been e-guillotined years ago.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't just that. I did not want him to be down while trying to get it installed. I did not want to deal with customs. His PC was very old and I wasn't even sure the SSD would help. New PC was just much easier. Go to website, order, done in 15 minutes.

I genuinely feel like you were doing him a favor, good for you. With that being said, I think you are being disingenuous when you try and sit here and act like all the staff's desire was only to have nizzar's tag change. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play. With that being said, it's over. No reason to keep up the lie.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I genuinely feel like you were doing him a favor, good for you. With that being said, I think you are being disingenuous when you try and sit here and act like all the staff's desire was only to have nizzar's tag change. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play. With that being said, it's over. No reason to keep up the lie.

I had a 3 hour personal conversation about this with Sirken the day it happened.

I know exactly what I was told.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. Stop it. Clearly Nizzar being a member was never an option. I would have probably done the exact same thing if I was in his shoes, if I couldn't be a leader I flat out would not play.

This 100%. If someone that was just the leader is sitting in TS and knows how to lead there is no way they are going to sit there silently while things are run poorly. Maybe for a week or two but eventually they will naturally take over again whether they are trying to or not. As Lite mentioned, if this was flipped, can you imagine him sitting idle as the guild flopped and made bad calls?

The punishment was executed very poorly and maybe it should have just been harsher from the start so GMs didn't have to go back on their word. It would have at least avoided officers with high play times and the ability to lead to also be banned.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The punishment was executed very poorly and maybe it should have just been harsher from the start so GMs didn't have to go back on their word. It would have at least avoided officers with high play times and the ability to lead to also be banned.

Thats the key, GMs went back on their word.