open a fresh new Red Server or teams server

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

78% of 220 voters is a vocal minority?

wut?

You're forgetting that half those people don't even log in anymore. A quarter was anonymous forum accounts. So that leaves us with about 30-40 people who actually want a wipe and actively play here.

Regardless, the numbers don't matter - they aren't going to wipe the box. It's not even worth talking about. Sometime after Velious release Rogean will look at a teams server. If you can't live without playing on a fresh box, wait for that. Also, no one addressed this:

Wipe box - > 3-6 months down the road we are in the exact same situation with the exact same people. The people who don't play here will continue to not play here for the same reasons. The people who leave will continue to leave for the same reasons. The people who stay will stay for the same reasons.

How will this freshly wiped box end up any different if it's all the same people? Including ones we've banned to the point that they stopped trying. I just don't see it turning out differently somehow.

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're forgetting that half those people don't even log in anymore. A quarter was anonymous forum accounts. So that leaves us with about 30-40 people who actually want a wipe and actively play here.

Regardless, the numbers don't matter - they aren't going to wipe the box. It's not even worth talking about. Sometime after Velious release Rogean will look at a teams server. If you can't live without playing on a fresh box, wait for that. Also, no one addressed this:



How will this freshly wiped box end up any different if it's all the same people? Including ones we've banned to the point that they stopped trying. I just don't see it turning out differently somehow.

Sticky a warning in general chat threatening any pro wipe supporters permabans and watch the rest of the current population drop. I'm sure the non pve pop is only logging in because they want to believe beneficial changes are coming.

[Colgate]

because nihilum probably wouldn't be on top of a new server, unless of course history repeated itself and the guild that was dominating them gets banned for the same exploit they were using for several weeks in a row.

when azrael was on top of the server, we routinely left raid mobs up instead of killing them the moment they spawned; i've played about a dozen eq emu pvp servers in the past several years and this is the first time there has ever been a group of players who play like nihilum does. this state of competition is a result of poor staff management where they are allowed to blatantly and repeatedly break the rules and get away with it, which discourages anyone from attempting to compete.

anyway, 6 months down the road it would be a 6 month old server where 90% of the playerbase doesn't have multiple level 60s, which is another one of the main reasons why people are bored and want a wipe.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because nihilum probably wouldn't be on top of a new server, unless of course history repeated itself and the guild that was dominating them gets banned for the same exploit they were using for several weeks in a row.

when azrael was on top of the server, we routinely left raid mobs up instead of killing them the moment they spawned; i've played about a dozen eq emu pvp servers in the past several years and this is the first time there has ever been a group of players who play like nihilum does. this state of competition is a result of poor staff management where they are allowed to blatantly and repeatedly break the rules and get away with it, which discourages anyone from attempting to compete.

anyway, 6 months down the road it would be a 6 month old server where 90% of the playerbase doesn't have multiple level 60s, which is another one of the main reasons why people are bored and want a wipe.

Why don't we let Velious hit and see how that works out first? If that comes and goes and things remain the same (they won't), I'll be the first staff member to put some thought into a wipe.

Until then, these threads just make me stay away from the red forums in general.

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't we let Velious hit and see how that works out first? If that comes and goes and things remain the same (they won't), I'll be the first staff member to put some thought into a wipe.

Until then, these threads just make me stay away from the red forums in general.

Copy that. Stay away from red but be sure to be back after Velious. Guess I'll stop holding my breath since we finally got a staff member to bargain.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't we let Velious hit and see how that works out first? If that comes and goes and things remain the same (they won't), I'll be the first staff member to put some thought into a wipe.

Until then, these threads just make me stay away from the red forums in general.

"we'll maybe consider doing something that a majority of the community agrees would be good in an indefinite amount of time"

awesome, never heard that one before

[Smedy]

i'd say hold off on the wipe until haynars new code changes goes live

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"we'll maybe consider doing something that a majority of the community agrees would be good in an indefinite amount of time"

awesome, never heard that one before

You will never be happy with anything that we do.

[Rec]

teams 99 or bust

[Musetii]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'd say hold off on the wipe until haynars new code changes goes live

Smedy for Red99 Staff, 2014! I'll donate.