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Old 08-06-2014, 06:42 PM
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Nirgon, the reason charm is more prolific over here than live (like many of unclassic behaviors on this server) is far more due to other factors than difference in game mechanics.

1) Stable Connection, both in terms of lag and disconnects. Self explanatory.

2) Technique for breaks not being common knowledge.

3) Levels. The vast majority of even the hardcore players in their server's #1 raid guilds weren't 60 until Mid-Late Velious. 55+ were fine in any zone. Kunark was mostly designed to get to 60, it was not designed for level 60 play. As such, the content (and prior content such as the Planes) is laughably easy to a group of 60s. The majority of the stuff that 60 enchanters are charming over here is level 45-50. 10-15 levels on a target will allow for a 5 minute or so average charm.


4) Complete knowledge of zones, accompanying npcs, and general lack of fear of CR. In my opinion, this is probably the biggest reason. I have 0 fear of death on Project 1999. Exp doesn't matter and I know there is no zone that I cannot CR myself out of with relative ease. Come Velious, you can drag my corpse to under Lady Nevedaria's belly on a full spawn - it won't matter to me, I'll fish it out.

In addition to the above, I don't believe players realized how powerful charm was until dire charm, but that is more of an opinion of mine.

The best resource that we have on charm during this era is Xornn's guide thats been posted before.
Not buying any of this. What else you got?

I'm just still standing over here... ya know with the lvl 50 druids charming shiverbacks (ya the lower con one, fine) reliably in fear being completely f'd up. Or every enchanter on the server in seb grabbing a dar knight as a pet no problem like that shit's free.

In fact, every tick there should be at LEAST a 5% chance of the charm breaking (let's say just the base chance that should be working). Is that even the case right now? Doesn't seem like it. Same with roots lasting crazy durations.... even on, you guessed it planar trash which should be some of the most resistant mobs in the game outside of having an elemental affinity or being completely immune.

It's just wrong and the people doing it are defending their pixel gains. Period. Same as the previous issues with charming Sirran.
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Old 08-06-2014, 08:47 PM
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Not buying any of this. What else you got?

I'm just still standing over here... ya know with the lvl 50 druids charming shiverbacks (ya the lower con one, fine) reliably in fear being completely f'd up. Or every enchanter on the server in seb grabbing a dar knight as a pet no problem like that shit's free.

In fact, every tick there should be at LEAST a 5% chance of the charm breaking (let's say just the base chance that should be working). Is that even the case right now? Doesn't seem like it. Same with roots lasting crazy durations.... even on, you guessed it planar trash which should be some of the most resistant mobs in the game outside of having an elemental affinity or being completely immune.

It's just wrong and the people doing it are defending their pixel gains. Period. Same as the previous issues with charming Sirran.
I don't believe that 50 druids are reliably charming silverbacks here.

I have no idea where the 5% figure is coming from.

Anyhow, I do think that you're drastically underplaying how important levels are to the charm equation. The Dar's you mention are 45-50. Ideally, a 60 is looking for a 47-48 pet. Even Krups can be level 49. In general, the stuff that you're charming is 10-15 levels below you. Again, Planes weren't designed for 60 play. The vast majority of Kunark wasn't either. 60s are going to seem really strong in a playground of level 45-50 mobs, and they should.

At this point though, I'm jumping on the post logs bandwagon.
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