Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not how agro transfer works. Bard song will gain agro for the bard, it will not transfer it to others. Same as any beneficial spell. If a cleric heals someone with agro, the cleric gains agro. If a cleric has agro and heals someone without agro, that person still will not have agro.






Yes your inside info is full of shit or it wasn't communicated/understood properly. I never touched Hoshkar or any dragon involved with this pull. I was dead for the entire duration because I was on train up for our PD pull before this, you can see Shinko dragging my corpse at :55.

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

Former GM?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Former GM?

Yes that is Ambrotos.

[Alarti0001]

Brotos still doesn't understand game mechanics. /facepalm

[Rais]

Working mechanics, changed mechanics, bugged mechanics and mechanics that should be in the game are different things. Fuck if I know what has changed or not the past 5 months. I know sit agro was added, that's about it. I am more than willing to admit I have no clue what is in the game now or how things go.

Me knowing or not knowing mechanics of what is in game now doesn't change the fact mobs were trained through a pull. That is the issue and nothing else. You train, it's 100% on you. It doesn't matter what zone. It has been this way for years. Saying it's unfair or being blind sided by this rule is pretty dishonest.

You can't sit there and stomp your feet saying it's unfair, when the rule was put in place that was ruled in TMO's favor and IB was suspended for it.

I was just trying to find the proof that IB trained themselves that everyone kept talking about. Not untill I said something, and Hitpoint admitted to it, that the reason why IB gained agro was because of TMO's pull/train and that "shit happens". Shit does happen, but you are still responsible.

So much for staff being corrupt and ruling the same way as they have before about a raids pull/train. I will agree about the difference in punishment not being the same for the same offenses between both guilds in vp. That you have a leg to stand on.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me knowing or not knowing mechanics of what is in game now doesn't change the fact mobs were trained through a pull. That is the issue and nothing else. You train, it's 100% on you. It doesn't matter what zone. It has been this way for years. Saying it's unfair or being blind sided by this rule is pretty dishonest.

You misunderstand. We were blindsided because it was never brought to us before we were suspended.

And why does this train rule not applied in plane of fear? Or VP until yesterday. In PoF, when another guild engages CT you drop your kite by dying or capping out. It's been this way for years. You know this, so why are you saying something different?

[Chanto]

the pullers have some responsibility too, and that is that when you pull your mob through a kite or train, you have to take special care to not transfer that agro to your guild...

If you pull a mob through a kite and then just go to your camp and ask for buffs, whoever buffs you or whoever buffs the person who buffed you is added to the hate list,if they cast a spell like heal or rune, they can pull the kite right off the kiter without the kiter even dieing or anything, dont see how that can be anyones fault but the pullers.

If your running for draco and im running for draco and we both had mobs and i got draco first, you would be expected to kite your agro, but if i bring draco to camp and and get heals how are you reasonably supposed to 100% control your kite when our heals pull it off you? it really is not as black and white as you agro it first its 100% your responsibility no matter what as some make it seem.

In this situation xygoz is pulled through hosh just as much as hosh is pulled through xygoz. when they were initially agrod they are no where near each other and could only bring hosh one way, and could only bring xygoz one way, everyone is aware their paths would cross and hoshkar was pulled far enough that xygoz had time to pass him and make it to zone in a minute before hoshkar did

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

No actually. You are wrong. If the group members had agro, healing them would transfer agro to him. Not the other way around.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No actually. You are wrong. If the group members had agro, healing them would transfer agro to him. Not the other way around.

That shouldn't be the case. That's not the way it was working before. Even bandaging people should cause chain agro, or any buff to or from a person aggro.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I said was that our trainer for Hoshkar during this pull had been killed causing us to lose agro on Hoshkar. Which is absolutely true. Had that not happened, Hosh likely would have continued to balcony and none of this would have occurred. But VP is a dangerous place and shit happens. Things get taken out of context I guess.

This is the only thing that is even worth shit in this entire situation. Glad Hitpoint can fess up as to what happened. Now it makes sense as to how Sirken and Deru ruled.