Dragon fear

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you volunteering to go through 2999 spells(trilogy) to rebalance the resist mods individually or are you talking about rebalancing the resist calculations themselves?

If we simply cut the resist cap to 255 it would not solve anything. No one would resist anything a higher level NPC casted.

Why all 3000 spells? This is about Dragon fear, which has already been shown not to have a resist modifier in Kunark/Velious.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why all 3000 spells? This is about Dragon fear, which has already been shown not to have a resist modifier in Kunark/Velious.

Where has this been shown?

They removed a lure component when they added the value based resist check.

[Nirgon]

Fear was EASY to resist.

Invoke fear landed SLIGHTLY more and held better.

Dragon roar was HARD to resist.

Tell me that there was no underlying modifier.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where has this been shown?

They removed a lure component when they added the value based resist check.

Okay? Do you actually know what the Lure(6) component actually does or are you just guessing? All I'm saying is they shouldn't have -150 resist adjust right now in the timeline.

Watch that video above of the Zlandicar fight on classic Live - the PoV guy has no bard in his group and yet he gets feared very little, and when he does it lasts for just seconds. In fact most the people in his field of vision aren't getting feared at all.

He also doesn't get the Stun Breath proc off at all, as it's supposed to be interrupt-able.

You have 50 people in this thread telling you from experience that the fears are hitting too often and lasting for full durations no matter what magic resist - all you have to do is compare that video from what you saw last night and see they were two completely different experiences.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He also doesn't get the Stun Breath proc off at all, as it's supposed to be interrupt-able.

Because of this?

Mana: 0 Casting Time: Instant
Recast Time: 12 Fizzle Time: 0
Resist: Magic Range: 300
Location: Any Time of Day: Any
AE Duration: 5 AE Range: 200
Interruptable: Yes Target Type: Targeted AE
Spell Type: Detrimental Category: NPC
Source: Live 07/15

It's a placeholder field. Zlandicar usually casts necro spells, which I haven't added yet, which is what is likely being interrupted.

It's an instant cast spell which can be cast on a target up to 300 distance away, in which case it AoE's a range of 200 from that target. This does not mean it is actually possible to interrupt. It did not only hit a few tanks. When his target (the MT) is standign next to him, it's effectively a 200 range PBAOE.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Watch that video above of the Zlandicar fight on classic Live - the PoV guy has no bard in his group and yet he gets feared very little, and when he does it lasts for just seconds. In fact most the people in his field of vision aren't getting feared at all.

Are you even watching the same video?

1) This is Rising Acension, a known hardcore raid guild, you can pretty much count on them having 255 resists (in content that is balanced for 255 resists)

2) The entire raid got feared the first cast and it's hard to tell who got feared the other casts because the person taking the video was running feared in front of the other feared people being feared.

3) He cast fear 4 times, the person taking the video was feared every single time.

4) We know the resist cap needs to change, no one is arguing that, Velious bosses are being balanced to the current resist cap (actually a bit below, 350-400) so we can modify the way resists work without going back and editing individual spells or bosses.

4) Almost everyone gets hit by liquify every time, which is an unmodified AoE, they are stacking everything to MR.

5) I've posted logs at 372 mr resisting every single stun AoE with very short Fear durations in the rare case I got feared, if possible I would like to see the impact/value/behavior of 350ish MR applied at the 250 level before resist caps are capped.

6) Zlandicar is supposed to cast Necro spells with cast times that can be interrupted, these are not in right now because they complicate testing.

7) If we simply cap resists at 255 without making any other modifications, things would be far worse than they are now. Resisted an AoE with lure components (classic!) from a higher level NPC would be almost impossible.

8) I've decrypted enough of the velious spell file to be able to make comparisons: Lure of Lightening/Frost/Flame all had a -5 lure component. Dragon roar has a -6. Dragon roar has a higher negative resist modifier than player lures.

9) We are testing. We need time to go through this stuff. I understand the difficulty of stacking resists this high is not classic, however, that does not mean that you should be easily resisting a majority of these spells.

[wycca]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4) We know the resist cap needs to change, no one is arguing that, Velious bosses are being balanced to the current resist cap (actually a bit below, 350-400) so we can modify the way resists work without going back and editing individual spells or bosses.

Would you mind explaining this comment a bit?

PS - I thought Eashen was working fine, fear might be another beast though, but I don't have any recent runs to feel comfortable making a statement on.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by wycca [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you mind explaining this comment a bit?

PS - I thought Eashen was working fine, fear might be another beast though, but I don't have any recent runs to feel comfortable making a statement on.

What I would like to see:
If cap was lowered to 255 you would resist the same amount as if you have 350-375 now. These are the results I feel, through testing, would be as accurate as can be expected while making the cap and the difficulty of reaching that cap classic.

I am not a source developer though, I cannot say if it's possible or if it will happen. All I can do is balance them in a uniform way so that if it does happen we do not have to re balance everything or change spell values.

We can see the spell values to a high extent, but we do not know how the classic resist code worked. If you have 1 + X = 2, you don't change the 1.

[Zaela]

Originally Posted by Alunova [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I would like to see:
If cap was lowered to 255 you would resist the same amount as if you have 350-375 now. These are the results I feel, through testing, would be as accurate as can be expected while making the cap and the difficulty of reaching that cap classic.

I am not a source developer though, I cannot say if it's possible or if it will happen..

Should not be difficult to scale down the various factors/multipliers in the chance-to-resist function to make 255 generate the same chance to resist as X would now under the same circumstances. Except that you probably wouldn't want to scale resist adjusts down, so they would count for proportionally more. Would probably need more tweaking after that, of course, and might need to split client resist chance calculations from npc resist chance calculations if that's not already the case.