Spells: Resist issue since patch thread

[koros]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With 255 charisma and level 60, mez would (prepatch, dunno about now) literally never be resisted by anything below 50 (maybe even 50s also... can't remember for sure). 51s will resist pretty rarely, 52-53s occassionally, and once you're doing 54-55s you'll see 1 in 3 mezzes resist without MR debuff (and MR spells like roots/stuns will resist 1 in 3 even after a tash). Ballpark gut figures. Mez on p99 either has a resist mod built in or charisma helps to lower resists of mez spells or something.

Tash is high aggro here, though I don't think any/much higher than a slow or a cessation of cor or a lure of ice. I don't think I've ever seen any enchanter tash before mez in any situation on p99 (unless, like, you're able to tash at longer range then land a mez before you get nuked/meleed). At 60 if you have a nasty target, you rapture then tash+malo+slow then kill or transition to cheaper mezzes if possible, or just keep rapturing (or let the sham tank or whatever).


It's funny that you call the higher-level mezzes "the good ones." I never even mem mezzes except mesmerize, mesmerization, and occasionally rapture. There's nothing good about them, really. Unless you're a solo chanter trying to lock down half a dozen mobs that are spread out across a wide area (isle 5, for example ... though even there unless you're the only chanter and it's a small raid with a mediocre or worse puller, you STILL don't need to use longer single-target mezzes!), you're using a mez that casts slower, recasts slower, and costs the same mana per tick of mez as just using a lower mez, and takes up a spell slot that could be used for something more vital to avoiding death when stuff goes wrong.

Mezzes land(ed) too easily here. You shouldn't be getting many resists at 60 vs 51s/52s, but a level 54 enc should see a semi decent resist rate vs a 52/53. It's part of what made the higher duration mezzes worth it if you had to lock down 3 mobs. Too many resists when using a 24 second mez.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mezzes land(ed) too easily here. You shouldn't be getting many resists at 60 vs 51s/52s, but a level 54 enc should see a semi decent resist rate vs a 52/53.

When was the last time anyone who is reading this post saw a level 54 enchanter trying to CC ilis or reet frogs, golems in hole, HS south/east, etc? I'm pretty sure that 54 enchanter would have seen a lot of resists in those locations before the patch... not that anyone has done any of those things at 54 since the first weeks of Kunark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[koros]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When was the last time anyone who is reading this post saw a level 54 enchanter trying to CC ilis or reet frogs, golems in hole, HS south/east, etc? I'm pretty sure that 54 enchanter would have seen a lot of resists in those locations before the patch... not that anyone has done any of those things at 54 since the first weeks of Kunark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough. Resist rate on mez was ridiculously low tho.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Resist rate on mez was ridiculously low tho.

What context are you talking about?

You made it sound like a 54 enchanter would be able to reliably mez level 52-53 mobs pre-tash before the patch... and that is just plain untrue. 53s resisted 60 enchanters at a fair clip; a 54 would have had a BOATLOAD of resists in places like HS east or the nasty parts of the hole. That's why you NEVER see chanters that low in those places.

I'm not arguing that CC couldn't use some intentional resist tweaks... but you're just making shit up or not understanding how things were working or something with the stuff you're saying.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What context are you talking about?

You made it sound like a 54 enchanter would be able to reliably mez level 52-53 mobs pre-tash before the patch... and that is just plain untrue. 53s resisted 60 enchanters at a fair clip; a 54 would have had a BOATLOAD of resists in places like HS east or the nasty parts of the hole. That's why you NEVER see chanters that low in those places.

I'm not arguing that CC couldn't use some intentional resist tweaks... but you're just making shit up or not understanding how things were working or something with the stuff you're saying.

I have a 40 enchanter. His mezzes get(got) resisted at a far lower rate than normal all or nothing spells. Perhaps resists are off for 51+ mobs. They didn't magically get a new resist modifier because they were over 50.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a 40 enchanter. His mezzes get(got) resisted at a far lower rate than normal all or nothing spells. Perhaps resists are off for 51+ mobs. They didn't magically get a new resist modifier because they were over 50.

Like I said before, p99 mezzes seem to either have a built-in resist mod or charisma influences their resists similar to how it helps lulls/charms work better. It feels like casting a mez on an untashed mob is similar to casting a root/slow/stun on a tashed mob I guess. That's significant for sure, but I don't know about "far lower rate" or "ridiculously low" or "lol 54 enchanters can CC ilis frogs np np" or whatever.

And who said that 51+ mobs don't have a special resist mod? 51+ mobs "magically" started summoning. Almost ALL of the 51+ mobs were introduced with Kunark expansion. It doesn't seem very far fetched imo.