Petition to Rogean: TMO Raid Behavior

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by lilyanna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If disputes involving armor clears aren't considered raid disputes, why are raid suspensions also prohibitions on doing armor clears?

We don't allow Ragefire kills and fear/hate clears because when guilds are on suspension they tend to spend and focus all of their time on these 3 areas and it causes issues that we'd prefer to avoid.

Fear/Hate trash clears and Ragefire kills aren't usually "Raid Encounters" but sometimes can be considered as such; it all depends on the circumstances surrounding the dispute.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't allow Ragefire kills and fear/hate clears because when guilds are on suspension they tend to spend and focus all of their time on these 3 areas and it causes issues that we'd prefer to avoid.

Fear/Hate trash clears and Ragefire kills aren't usually "Raid Encounters" but sometimes can be considered as such; it all depends on the circumstances surrounding the dispute.

From your own raid rule FAQ is this raid forum as posted by you:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=147618

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Copied and updated from the original Raid FAQ. Old FAQ and related posts have been deleted so there is no confusion.

Q: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not strictly considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'raid target' for the purposes of qualifying a group as a raid only. For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an Epic NPC (IE, camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target as per our new raid policy, trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid disputes and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, even though the victims are not part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target.

I underlined the relevant material. Additionally, there's a clause in there saying that once the parties can't agree on a solution then staff will step in, and specifically this was something we wanted Rogean to look it. I believe there are additional examples of staff just moving petitions to resolved that Hokushin was willing to post to establish the pattern.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Derubael

A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not strictly considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'raid target' for the purposes of qualifying a group as a raid only. For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an Epic NPC (IE, camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target as per our new raid policy, trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid disputes and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, even though the victims are not part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't allow Ragefire kills and fear/hate clears because when guilds are on suspension they tend to spend and focus all of their time on these 3 areas and it causes issues that we'd prefer to avoid.

Fear/Hate trash clears and Ragefire kills aren't usually "Raid Encounters" but sometimes can be considered as such; it all depends on the circumstances surrounding the dispute.

I underlined, bolded, and italicized the relevant sections. Situations are evaluated as they come in at our discretion. In this particular case, while the BDA force would be considered a raid, the TMO force is probably not.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additionally, there's a clause in there saying that once the parties can't agree on a solution then staff will step in, and specifically this was something we wanted Rogean to look it. I believe there are additional examples of staff just moving petitions to resolved that Hokushin was willing to post to establish the pattern.

Until we hear from management that this is to be handled differently, we're going to treat your dispute like everyone else's, and until you all hear differently, you're going to follow the staff's instructions regarding your dispute.

You guys are perfectly capable of working this out on your own - compromise. We're not asking you guys to hug and sing songs together, but you can absolutely act like people in a community and find a solution that works for both of you.

[Pint]

So bda's force considered a raid by the rules is griefed by Tmo but since Tmo wasn't a raid their actions will go overlooked by the staff? That's a pretty bad precendent to be setting wouldn't you think? Also not to discredit the notion of working things out between guilds bc that is the way things should be handled, but everyone on the box knows that bda and Tmo are very unlikely to work this out. At least not until they both get slapped with one of those "bad for both parties" gm resolutions that you guys keep mentioning.