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[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I wouldn't call helping a guild out a "conspiracy".

Nothing grandiose, bro, just textbook definition. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

And what I'm saying is that guild punishments should be held for guild actions. I've no problem with ultra severe punishments for those who commit them. I'm an Uthgaard man :P

[Dragonsblood1987]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing grandiose, bro, just textbook definition. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

And what I'm saying is that guild punishments should be held for guild actions. I've no problem with ultra severe punishments for those who commit them. I'm an Uthgaard man :P

So why isn't it a guild issue when TMO trains?

[doyoueventrainbro]

Originally Posted by Dragonsblood1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AG got suspended for sending 5 people to help another guild with a kill. If TMO doesn't eat one it's verified bush/ towers/ rmt bribes to a gm that rhymes with gherkin.

dayuum

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does TMO condone/support/defend Unbrella's role in this event? Yes or No

yes he tried to resolve this issue and was told to fuck off.

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

answer that smartass

Thanks for playing......

Um actually thats not how it happened: lets review shall we?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's the actual conversation, get your facts straight

[Mon Jun 02 17:58:11 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'wtf are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:15 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'chest'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:17 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'send me a tel'
[Mon Jun 02 17:58:52 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'yo'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:18 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'what the fuck are you doing?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:20 2014] Syzzurp says out of character, 'we were here first bro... we are only after the monkies and fiends'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:24 2014] You told Unbrella, 'what the fuck does it look like?'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:28 2014] You say out of character, 'syzz'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:34 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'kiting fear and shitting on our camp'
[Mon Jun 02 17:59:41 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'we're here for monkeys and fetids'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:13 2014] You told Unbrella, 'we're here to ae the zone'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:23 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'well we're here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:25 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'so fuck off'
[Mon Jun 02 18:00:30 2014] Unbrella tells you, 'if you're going to be a snatch'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:16 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'really?'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:19 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'yes'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:24 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'can I get the boots if they drop thats all we're after'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:28 2014] You told Syzzurp, 'no, fuck you'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:36 2014] Syzzurp tells you, 'we were here first'
[Mon Jun 02 18:01:56 2014] Unbrella says out of character, 'Sorry to Genocidal Tendancies, your friends in BDA are shitting on your first fear raid.'

So as you can see clearly Unbrella Told Chest to fuck off first. Also if you have been keeping up with the thread, (which is in question since your facts are all screwed up) You will notice that the arguement that TMO was just trying to help GT is shot out the window, since Both Unbrella states he is looking for the "monkies and fetids" and what Syzzurp wants is plainly clear.

Gt was talking to chest too, and there was talk in /gu and vent about letting them just join BDA's raid, but then TMO steps in, and obviously it went down hill from there.

As for your claim that Unbrella tried to resolve the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Now in case you cant comprehend this, let me explain. Unbrella tried to deny the incident, If TMO or anybody else on the server who claim to be trying to ease the hostilities, want to actually accomplish this task. Then the solution is to immediately step in an resolve stuff, not wait until they have been caught with So Damning evidence that they are FORCED to go into damage control mode. HENCE the reasoning behind:
[QUOTE=VANVEM;1485191]THIS!
The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.
Because if The fear of the GM intervention is in place then people will work much harder to STOP all the bullshit. Also id that means that if someone brings frivolous petition to the GMs is called BS, then they get sanctioned, I'd be ok with that.
but consistency for the sanctions regardless of guild would have to be put in place.

and the last issue:

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about this do you support/condone/defend Chest your guild leaders actions or behavior ?

While I truly wish that BDa had been given the chance to work something out with GT, I have friends in GT that i would have very much liked a chance to help them out in fear. (also lets stop playing the sob story about 1st ever fear raid, it was GT's first on this server, they have experience players in the guild as well)

First off REGARDLESS of ANYONE's personal opinion, Clearing yard trash in fear IS A RAID! this is established in the servers raid policies, it truly does not matter if you like that or not

it is also been established that more than 1 grp can clear in the planes at a time, period. AGAIN does not matter if you agree or not.

So while I wish Chest and all of BDA had been given this opportunity, YEAH I dont see where Chest broke any rules, or where he allowed anyone from BDA to break any rules.
And I assure you that if anyone had, he and the other officers of BDA would not have had to wait until the threat of fraps being made for the GM's or the rest of the server came into the picture before they would have taken action.

So yes I support Chest's role in this issue.

[Dragonsblood1987]

[QUOTE=VANVEM;1487305]Thanks for playing......

Um actually thats not how it happened: lets review shall we?




So as you can see clearly Unbrella Told Chest to fuck off first. Also if you have been keeping up with the thread, (which is in question since your facts are all screwed up) You will notice that the arguement that TMO was just trying to help GT is shot out the window, since Both Unbrella states he is looking for the "monkies and fetids" and what Syzzurp wants is plainly clear.

Gt was talking to chest too, and there was talk in /gu and vent about letting them just join BDA's raid, but then TMO steps in, and obviously it went down hill from there.

As for your claim that Unbrella tried to resolve the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/eTyEi70.png

Now in case you cant comprehend this, let me explain. Unbrella tried to deny the incident, If TMO or anybody else on the server who claim to be trying to ease the hostilities, want to actually accomplish this task. Then the solution is to immediately step in an resolve stuff, not wait until they have been caught with So Damning evidence that they are FORCED to go into damage control mode. HENCE the reasoning behind:

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

THIS!
The GM's want people to work things out on their own? FINE!

The implement a policy that makes GM intervention on punishments 10X greater if they are forced to intervene.
Because if The fear of the GM intervention is in place then people will work much harder to STOP all the bullshit. Also id that means that if someone brings frivolous petition to the GMs is called BS, then they get sanctioned, I'd be ok with that.
but consistency for the sanctions regardless of guild would have to be put in place.

and the last issue:


While I truly wish that BDa had been given the chance to work something out with GT, I have friends in GT that i would have very much liked a chance to help them out in fear. (also lets stop playing the sob story about 1st ever fear raid, it was GT's first on this server, they have experience players in the guild as well)

First off REGARDLESS of ANYONE's personal opinion, Clearing yard trash in fear IS A RAID! this is established in the servers raid policies, it truly does not matter if you like that or not

it is also been established that more than 1 grp can clear in the planes at a time, period. AGAIN does not matter if you agree or not.

So while I wish Chest and all of BDA had been given this opportunity, YEAH I dont see where Chest broke any rules, or where he allowed anyone from BDA to break any rules.
And I assure you that if anyone had, he and the other officers of BDA would not have had to wait until the threat of fraps being made for the GM's or the rest of the server came into the picture before they would have taken action.

So yes I support Chest's role in this issue.

Ask TMO about the time they came up to hate as AG was starting to clear, watched them clear for about 15 minutes then ported a raid force up and started aeing everything.

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unbrella got snarky, and that was the wrong thing, but that should carry no penalty or punishment. It just means he acted like an ass. If you've been paying attention, you'd notice that we have dealt with the offender. The presence of an officer is meaningless if there was no real way to prevent the train. If he knew it was going to happen or if he ordered it, that'd be one thing. Here, someone took the matter into their own hands and ran off the rails. There's nothing that Unbrella could have realistically done to foresee this.



Then we end up in a situation where one party, with little to lose, holds the greater party hostage (see Catherin & raid discussions).



If I say I think someone deserved something does that make me responsible for it? While it's certainly poor taste to pop off as an officer, getting lippy doesn't mean that you should retroactively be considered the cause of something.



In real life, supervisors are responsible for the actions that are within the scope of the underling's duties. When Chest finally snaps and shoots a bunch of people while wearing his work uniform no one will be able to sue Burger King. Shooting people isn't something the management would put him up to nor is it something they should have foreseen. The only responsibility on Burger King is to say "Woah, yeah, he's crazy. GTFO."

That's precisely what happened here. Dinacarl went too far, and the guild has dealt with him.

I find it hilarious how willing people are to attach severe liability to situations that are clearly beyond the control of the ostensibly supervisory parties. If the guild leadership helps someone break the rules, or if they knew or should have known that something bad would happen then you can attach liability. If they refused to discipline the person then you can consider action, especially if that person screws up again after the leadership agreed to continue housing that person.



Stop setting up a false narrative. You're framing the issue as if Unbrella has done something actionable. He got mouthy, but he still was clearly making himself available for honest attempts at resolution. Unbrella did not train BDA. There is one crime here, and it was punished to the maximum extent within TMO's power.

You can not possible be that dense, so lets walk down the path again shall we?

Can BDA prove that Unbrella was instrumental in the train? Nope not even going to try.

but one of two things is true here:

A. Unbrella was at the fear portal, with GT and awaiting the pull, in which case he would only have known about the train and was too quick with a retort to have formed an opinion as to the validity of the train.
B. He witnessed the train and knew what had happened and should have immediately intervened by being an upstanding officer of TMO.

So it doesn't matter that Unbrella wasn't the person that trained, as an officer of the offending character's guild Unbreela had a responsibility to the rest of the server, not just BDA, to Immediately get involved and find out if a rules violation had occurred.

Before you come back with some BS about what Chest did, see my previous post.

No, you see To get the BS on the server to lighten up, we need to have a much heavier hand by the GM's without increasing the workload involved. if it is made to be a huge penalty to get the Gm's involved, then people will stop doing things that need to get the gm's involved. or at least stop recruiting ass hats and police their own ranks BEFORE they humiliate the guild in front of the rest of the server

[ssfarmer]

So i'm assuming by BDA's logic that if i posted the 9 fraps of BDA training me and guildmates at various places in sebilis (including twice to steal a camp) and telling me to fuck off 4/9 times that they would support them eating an 18 month suspensions (since they want a 2 month suspension for 1 member of tmo training them, whereas whole group of bda are the culprits in these cases)..... I mean seb does have a raid mob that spawns there and though he wasnt in window, that doesnt seem to matter in BDA's logic.

TMO is aggreeing that dinacarl is a fucktard in this situation and should be punished (and has been within the guild according to the officers responses in this thread).

just omg get over yourselves and punish the person responsible and not the guild hes in for something that happened in a non raid situation

[Locust]

Originally Posted by ssfarmer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just omg get over yourselves and punish the person responsible and not the guild hes in for something that happened in a non raid situation

non raid situation lol

[Pico]

hello i am cornerlius the internet wizard from the future. we're currently studying how certain mental conditions evolved and this thread is a major part of our case study, can i please have clarification on what a "fiend" is and hwy it is so sought after by these demented individuals
this will go a long way in bettering our understanding
thank you
your friend
cornerlius

[Verenity]

Yesterday I spent all day at the beach, played FIFA with my bros, drank the rest of the night and fucked my roommate's friend that I was working on.

Real life is pretty cool, fellas. You should try it out sometime.

P.S. Does Sloan still play? I miss that guy