Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Ella`Ella]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

td;dr don't ban me bro

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

I wonder if you are conscious of the extreme spin you're putting on things and think you're clever, or if you're completely ignorant to your own prejudices.

[Ambrotos]

Your posts sounds good till you try and blame other people.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

Any guild can raid any zone they want. There isn't a " You can't be in fear if another guild is there". As long as no one is taking each others pulls, KSing, or training then there isn't a disruption.

We can go by your line of thinking though.

You want to claim some by rule

Chapter 8 Section 1, Article 1

that doesn't even apply to the situation. If you want to go full retard and insist, apply it to yourself also when you decided to deflect the entire situation and say both groups were AOEing. So we can use your same argument and apply it the same wrong way, and say you were in violation of the same thing.

Call that a wash, and it still leaves the fraps train by a member of your guild. Sirken has ruled that the guilds need to work it out, thus it is a Server Raid Policy is covering it. I personally feel it's a single event and only the person should be punished, but the way he responded to the petition is the way Sirken wants it.

[Socratic]

The desire for ever escalating penalties is getting crazy.

For months we've been giving up individual encounters because of individual players doing something stupid like training/logging in where they shouldn't (xygoz, trak, gore, vs), and the only guild suspensions for raid disputes have been because an entire guild breaks the rules (whole raid logging in past the zone in, whole raid ks'ing/ninja-looting).

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

It's been pretty straight forward that whatever you are going for when your idiot member screws you, you lose, and if you don't give it up fast enough, you lose the next one too. I don't see why that would change.

Also, someone remind Chest that Unbrella isn't a co-leader of anything.

[Man0warr]

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

What was the 2nd raiding situation ? VS...where we didn't compete and....Where ? An AE group in Fear ? What Raid spawn did you lose that needs to be looked into ?

[Man0warr]

Fear is a raid zone per the rules. Guilds raid suspended can't zone in.

We both had raids in the zone.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fear is a raid zone per the rules. Guilds raid suspended can't zone in.

We both had raids in the zone.

We had one group in the zone. Again tell us what you lost that you need compensated for.

[Man0warr]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.