Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.



This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

[Antarctica]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Antarctica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

You simply can't monopolize all the spawns of the zone when there is more than one group of people in the zone that sir is the rules. This is also a rule on the server.

The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

BDA needed to communicate and compromise in this situation and the officer that was contacted about it told people to "Fuck off".

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

The guy is being punished. What is TMO supposed to do outside of handling that when the guy did this on his own accord ? I mean I am all for good will and handing over a mob like Draco but even that is a stretch.

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy is being punished.

How? I want details.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How? I want details.

He's been kicked out of TMO.

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's been kicked out of TMO.

For how long a week? If this is all the punishment a train warrants, then maybe from now on guilds can use this as common practice. If one guild is able to do it, why can't all guilds do it? Maybe have an alt ready for each train? Just kick them out of the guild when your done.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For how long a week? If this is all the punishment a train warrants, then maybe from now on guilds can use this as common practice. If one guild is able to do it, why can't all guilds do it? Maybe have an alt ready for each train? Just kick them out of the guild when your done.

Permanently on all characters? What do you think "kicked out" means? What else are we supposed to do? Fine him? Verbally admonish him? Make him take The Black?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How? I want details.

From Unbrella's post.

The player has been removed from TMO for his actions and the guild has dealt with it internally. Leadership is involved to the extent of coming to a reasonable resolution on how to punish the player.

What the GM's do next for his actions moving forward for what happened is for them to handle.