Which guild has the most cry babies?

[Hitpoint]

And I mean my previous post to be constructive, not condescending at all. I don't understand and I'm trying to. I think other people don't understand either. There must be a guild policy to ignore non-rotated mobs? I can't explain it otherwise.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I mean my previous post to be constructive, not condescending at all. I don't understand and I'm trying to. I think other people don't understand either. There must be a guild policy to ignore non-rotated mobs? I can't explain it otherwise.

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Jfertal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

I never called you guys casual scum btw. I think that is mostly a running joke. The competition now isn't the same as it was before and whether you were here at the start of the server or started 2 years ago you really have to play in the current environment before understanding it.

As I said my beef isn't with the way mobs are pulled or engaged. There are ways to change that to make it a little easier for everyone that wants to compete. Which is a better option than getting rid of the FFA class. You will in either case have to hit a button though and people willing to do it.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Jfertal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

You're not casual scum. Stop denying your birthright and come home.

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not casual scum. Stop denying your birthright and come home.

only if you get svenn and lucabrazi to come too! my lord!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

Chest isn't trying to fix anything. He is trying to get rid of a competitive raid class in the raiding environment. If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

Oh, I get it. You're trolling. You'd have to be since everything Chest has been ranting and raving about for literally the entire length of time I've been in this guild, and the smart money is much, much earlier than that, has everything to do with how mobs are tracked and engaged.


Trak's lair becomes a horrid poopsock hovel, a shantytown where cartoon character drones piloted by angioplasty cases sit around for weeks at a time waiting for pops? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

Guilds buying up accounts en masse so they can leave hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs and their members can stand around with twelve character select screens loaded up for easy logging in on whatever spawns? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

VS/Inny become fights where guilds leave monks as trackers spamming javelins for FTE and Chest loses his shit- that's an engagement issue and a tracking issue


The problem with all the FFA shit as it is now, the reason Chest is fighting so hard to get it changed, is that there is no competition for first engagement in any healthy sense- it's about staring the longest at the screen, pushing "JAVELIN GO" first, scrapping and clawing and trampling each other with trains for FTE. These are engagement and tracking issues.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I get it. You're trolling. You'd have to be since everything Chest has been ranting and raving about for literally the entire length of time I've been in this guild, and the smart money is much, much earlier than that, has everything to do with how mobs are tracked and engaged.

[QUOTE=Kekephee;1472072]Chest only wants changes that makes its a sure thing his guild will get more kills with limited effort. You still have to track your free mobs don't you ? Exactly. But you won't track and attempt mobs where the guild has to compete and be the fast and efficient. Sounds like a player issue and not a track and engage issue.

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trak's lair becomes a horrid poopsock hovel, a shantytown where cartoon character drones piloted by angioplasty cases sit around for weeks at a time waiting for pops? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

2 people sit in the lair for a 16 hour window. Most of the time it takes less than 8 hours of tracking on a lot of these mobs. That is what variance does. No one is spending weeks at Trak. Again sounds like a lack of desire to want to put in a tracking effort when there is a chance you might lose. Player issue.

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guilds buying up accounts en masse so they can leave hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs and their members can stand around with twelve character select screens loaded up for easy logging in on whatever spawns? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

I dunno about accounts bought because I never bought one. I do know that there are "hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs". There are a lot and a lot of them are player leveled and some of them were bought when accounts were tradeable. TMO is not the only guild that had players buy accounts. Your logic is flawed though if the accounts were bought they would be different character select screens. I though personally have a necro and monk. I leveled both. As has many others in our guild.

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS/Inny become fights where guilds leave monks as trackers spamming javelins for FTE and Chest loses his shit- that's an engagement issue and a tracking issue

I got FTE on the last Inny being ported up from WC. Sounds like Chest needs to get better at the game or at least be aware of EQ mechanics on these engages and how to take advantage of them. However if you Ranger Track Inny it is no different than face tracking Inny with someone there on the spawn. The person on the spawn simply knows quicker than a Ranger and can be ready to take the first DT. Engage VS instantly is just as risky btw and isn't always instantly engaged.

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with all the FFA shit as it is now, the reason Chest is fighting so hard to get it changed, is that there is no competition for first engagement in any healthy sense- it's about staring the longest at the screen, pushing "JAVELIN GO" first, scrapping and clawing and trampling each other with trains for FTE. These are engagement and tracking issues.

The problem with your comment is you think you are an expert to decide that. Unless you attempt to raid these targets you have no clue how healthy it is or isn't in the current system. The fact that you don't attempt these mobs is obvious in how you think these engages go. You are wrong in most cases that you listed.