The New TMO

[Daldaen]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

If TMO had more than 2 representatives, I'd agree with this. But it'd be pretty fucking obvious and we'd have to forfeit the mob, and we're not fucking retarded, so we don't.

Also, FTE spam is literally the worst the server has ever been. That shit has got to stop on all sides and I don't think it's going to happen without GM intervention, though.

[Youlath]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO had more than 2 representatives, I'd agree with this. But it'd be pretty fucking obvious and we'd have to forfeit the mob, and we're not fucking retarded, so we don't.

Also, FTE spam is literally the worst the server has ever been. That shit has got to stop on all sides and I don't think it's going to happen without GM intervention, though.

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Youlath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

Eh, except it was rarely that bad. Usually only last 8 hours of 96 hour windows or 4-6 of 48 hour windows. When people started socking during the early days of window extension though (vs, mostly) shit was brutal though.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

except for it's bullshit. we've traced / compared ip's in the past. logs are taken on engage to see who was there, even if immediate /q. Fuck, we've done this in the past even when there's more than 2 reps past the entrance if we have good fraps of the fucking entrance of vp.

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