Miscellaneous: Summary of Bard issues

[Ryujee]

decided to put the rest of my issues here, instead of the previous post, so you could just delete it instead of having to edit bits and pieces lol. sorry if a LOT of this is rehash, but i feel it needs to be brought up. again.

in Classic, bards could kite in various fashions, including the almighty swarm style. they also had that 40% xp penalty, which in classic i believe they truly did deserve.

problem here is that i can barely kite 1 mob due to its ridiculous range on melee, mush less pull off a kite swarm with impunity. but i still suffer that 40% exp penalty, which is in my not so humble opinion, quite unfair to a class that has been more or less relegated to a last resort.

i can't heal with my songs anywhere as well as a class with heal spells

i can't do enough burst song damage to compete even with SK DD spells

my dots (now that i finally hit 18 i have a 2nd, which i had to basically afk-level the brass skill for) are a joke compared to any other dot using class.

even with dual wield i am ridiculously low on damage compared to people with crappier gear than mine.

now, before anyone says "duh! that's all meant to be that way" i would point out that i agree. we are meant to be jack-of-all-trades and an ace-of-none, as it should be for the penultimate hybrid class. my problem here is that our ability to solo, at a worthwhile rate, has been destroyed. so if we want xp worth a hoot, we have to join groups. small problem here is that a lot of people rather have a 'pure' class over a bard any day of the week. literally, in 18 levels, i have only gotten 4 groups that i did not start myself, or was grouped with a friend who decided to fill the group out.

mind you, i have bought or looted gear way beyond my level, dark blues still kick my butt in a stand up fight...instruments or melee weapons. meanwhile, other classes that are readily welcome into groups can also solo more efficiently than a bard.

coincidentally, every bard i have talked to tells me the same thing, "once you can charm kite that all changes". i am sure that is entirely true, but we're talking lvl 28 before that is even a possibility, i have trudged through 18 levels in about the same time it took me to level my monk AND warrior to the same level...combined.

i know, i know...am crying like got sand in my butt-crack, but i honestly feel that removing our ability to solo while keeping the xp penalty is just plain wrong. bear in mind, all it takes is 1 caster or a mob with a stun effect (lava basilisks in LS for example) to turn a swarm kite into suicide.

anyways, just more piss-and-moan for you guys, even if i do feel it justified. oddly enough, as a father of 2, i KNOW the irritation...but here i am, giving it to you guys.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Ryujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

decided to put the rest of my issues here, instead of the previous post, so you could just delete it instead of having to edit bits and pieces lol. sorry if a LOT of this is rehash, but i feel it needs to be brought up. again.

in Classic, bards could kite in various fashions, including the almighty swarm style. they also had that 40% xp penalty, which in classic i believe they truly did deserve.

problem here is that i can barely kite 1 mob due to its ridiculous range on melee, mush less pull off a kite swarm with impunity. but i still suffer that 40% exp penalty, which is in my not so humble opinion, quite unfair to a class that has been more or less relegated to a last resort.

i can't heal with my songs anywhere as well as a class with heal spells

i can't do enough burst song damage to compete even with SK DD spells

my dots (now that i finally hit 18 i have a 2nd, which i had to basically afk-level the brass skill for) are a joke compared to any other dot using class.

even with dual wield i am ridiculously low on damage compared to people with crappier gear than mine.

now, before anyone says "duh! that's all meant to be that way" i would point out that i agree. we are meant to be jack-of-all-trades and an ace-of-none, as it should be for the penultimate hybrid class. my problem here is that our ability to solo, at a worthwhile rate, has been destroyed. so if we want xp worth a hoot, we have to join groups. small problem here is that a lot of people rather have a 'pure' class over a bard any day of the week. literally, in 18 levels, i have only gotten 4 groups that i did not start myself, or was grouped with a friend who decided to fill the group out.

mind you, i have bought or looted gear way beyond my level, dark blues still kick my butt in a stand up fight...instruments or melee weapons. meanwhile, other classes that are readily welcome into groups can also solo more efficiently than a bard.

coincidentally, every bard i have talked to tells me the same thing, "once you can charm kite that all changes". i am sure that is entirely true, but we're talking lvl 28 before that is even a possibility, i have trudged through 18 levels in about the same time it took me to level my monk AND warrior to the same level...combined.

i know, i know...am crying like got sand in my butt-crack, but i honestly feel that removing our ability to solo while keeping the xp penalty is just plain wrong. bear in mind, all it takes is 1 caster or a mob with a stun effect (lava basilisks in LS for example) to turn a swarm kite into suicide.

anyways, just more piss-and-moan for you guys, even if i do feel it justified. oddly enough, as a father of 2, i KNOW the irritation...but here i am, giving it to you guys.

Upon carefully reading this post, I declare that bards are now working as intended.

:P

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Ryujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i know, i know...am crying like got sand in my butt-crack, but i honestly feel that removing our ability to solo while keeping the xp penalty is just plain wrong.

You can easily solo, its matter of being able to solo efficiently. When was the last time you saw a shadowknight, a paladin, or a ranger solo as well as a mage or druid? Bards have always been a grouping class. The people you are trying to group with are not very familiar with the game if they're turning down a bard because "you have nothing to offer them", your benefit to the group is not measured by how much damage you do, but how much damage you add to your party's damage, or how much utility you add to the group.

In short please keep your posts like this to RnF, instead of imposing your opinions of what you think your class should be instead of trashing a reputable bug thread on bards with opinions instead of actual bugs.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Ryujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mind you, i have bought or looted gear way beyond my level, dark blues still kick my butt in a stand up fight...instruments or melee weapons. meanwhile, other classes that are readily welcome into groups can also solo more efficiently than a bard.

coincidentally, every bard i have talked to tells me the same thing, "once you can charm kite that all changes". i am sure that is entirely true, but we're talking lvl 28 before that is even a possibility, i have trudged through 18 levels in about the same time it took me to level my monk AND warrior to the same level...combined.

i know, i know...am crying like got sand in my butt-crack, but i honestly feel that removing our ability to solo while keeping the xp penalty is just plain wrong. bear in mind, all it takes is 1 caster or a mob with a stun effect (lava basilisks in LS for example) to turn a swarm kite into suicide.

The first part shouldn't be true in most cases (unless you're level 50 battling a level 49 or something ridiculous like that). Ur doin' it wrong.

The second part is curiously also not true. You can't really charm kite that well as a Bard, it's more of an effective CC spell than it is an efficient soloing technique.

The third part is nonsense. Obviously you don't aoe kite casters or mobs with a stun proc or whatever. You don't aoe kite ghouls because they will root you if you screw up. By you can still aoe kite large numbers of other mobs - there's a post on the forums where someone shows a screenshot of his Bard after aoe kiting over 20 mobs. I spent several levels aoe kiting the spectres tower in oasis - how many classes do you know that can take all four of those spectres at once? Only a few. Go search Cribanox's post about aoe kiting on project 1999, and he will tell you how to do it without getting hit. Maybe it's not the same as it used to be on live, but it's fun and challenging and I'm not complaining.

~Bard of 50 seasons~

[astuce999]

No mez push

No classic mana song (was a patch message about it but still working with icon for 3 ticks)

Not being immune to mana drain

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Those would be my 3 big issues right now (09/22/2010).


Cheers!

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No classic mana song (was a patch message about it but still working with icon for 3 ticks)

Its functioning as described in Haynar's post, it gives mana as a pulse and not per tick, and multiple bards can give pulses at the same time in the same group every two seconds. The only bugged portion is that the icon still comes up and lasts for 3 ticks.