Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Real scientists recognize natural patterns, appreciate the math behind them, come to terms that it's not happenchance, and eventually become deists.

You're suggesting that real scientists, when faced with something they can't immediately explain, simply give up and start believing in god? As in, if they don't reach the same conclusions as you, they aren't a real scientist?

Man, I wish I could be 14 again. Freakin' adorable.

[r00t]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're suggesting that real scientists, when faced with something they can't immediately explain, simply give up and start believing in god? As in, if they don't reach the same conclusions as you, they aren't a real scientist?

Man, I wish I could be 14 again. Freakin' adorable.

That's exactly what I'm saying.. All of the greats from Franklin to Einstein have been deists for a reason. Science proves things aren't just the adorable fantasy that things exist without being created, a quite common atheist belief.

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[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what I'm saying.. All of the greats from Franklin to Einstein have been deists for a reason. Science proves things aren't just the adorable fantasy that things exist without being created, a quite common atheist belief.

Science proves no such thing, and the fact that you think otherwise suggests a complete lack of understanding of how science actually works. In fact, "things exist without being created" actually seems to apply quite well to your idea of a creator/god. If nothing can exist without a creator, who created god? Did he just create himself one day? If he was able to come into being without being created by something greater, why can't the same be true of all life as we know it?

And while we're at it, what gives you the right to decide for us who the "great" scientists are? I could just as easily cherry pick some "great" atheist scientists, too, but what would that prove?

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science proves no such thing, and the fact that you think otherwise suggests a complete lack of understanding of how science actually works. In fact, "things exist without being created" actually seems to apply quite well to your idea of a creator/god. If nothing can exist without a creator, who created god? Did he just create himself one day? If he was able to come into being without being created by something greater, why can't the same be true of all life as we know it?

And while we're at it, what gives you the right to decide for us who the "great" scientists are? I could just as easily cherry pick some "great" atheist scientists, too, but what would that prove?

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

you tripped up a bit there

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

STOP SAYING "FACT" WHERE THERE ARE NONE

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that we can't comprehend that God wasn't created gives a lot of credence to the fact that we were created. A created being would have no comprehension of how a non-created being could have existed without being created. We always have to assign a beginning and an end to everything. Its a human limitation.

You are literally spewing nonsense now. I'm sitting here trying to decipher what you're trying to say, and I just can't. Would you like to try again?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are literally spewing nonsense now. I'm sitting here trying to decipher what you're trying to say, and I just can't. Would you like to try again?

It is not that complex. He is basically stating that a superior being like a God being without beginning is a hard pill to swallow for finite creatures as ourselves trapped in this materialist construct. Kind of makes me think of the flat landers.

The big bang is a materialist answer to the "how" question but it falls apart imo when you apply the constants of the materialist universe to the big bang. How can a big bang happen without time? Time is a result of the big bang yet there is no causality/causation(sp?) before this?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what I'm saying.. All of the greats from Franklin to Einstein have been deists for a reason. Science proves things aren't just the adorable fantasy that things exist without being created, a quite common atheist belief.

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Posting jpgs loaded with falsehoods means nothing. The Big Bang does not posit that nothing exploded.

Einstein was not a deist. He was a pantheist and the nature of the universe was his "god."

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posting jpgs loaded with falsehoods means nothing. The Big Bang does not posit that nothing exploded.

Einstein was not a deist. He was a pantheist and the nature of the universe was his "god."

This is accurate.