Freedom From Atheism Foundation

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure googling the same info you googled to find your one post, the number of been exaggerated, may of not, but still doesn't change the point. Guess a true Aethist you are though, trying to grasp at straws for any argument you can, so you pick out the one thing that you still don't have credible proof of. I applaud you though and give you a 9/10 for effort.

Are you trying to imply that atheists and skeptics think aliens don't exist?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you trying to imply that atheists and skeptics think aliens don't exist?

No the implication was at the absurdity to assume those can exist yet a God couldn't. No matter what theory or ideas an Aethist can come up with, it can be tied to the possibility of a God existing unless they legitimately think we are the only existence possible. In that case there is no hope at all for them.

Yet me make sure this is clear also. I'm not saying that it is the God that me and the majority of the planet believe in, but the possibility of a God is there, is it the one we believe it? Maybe, maybe not, I believe it is, but doesn't change the fact that logic still points in the direction of the possibility of there being one.

[DeruIsLove]

The main point is the differentiation between "a god" and the Christian Yahweh. Even Dawkins and Hitchens both admitted to the possibility of higher forms of life/intelligence in several debates.

One of the issues I have is that the powers that be tend to lump everyone in the "non-religious" category into the atheist category. Myself being an agnostic anti-theist, I have a problem with that.

That said, I do see where you are coming from.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No the implication was at the absurdity to assume those can exist yet a God couldn't. No matter what theory or ideas an Aethist can come up with, it can be tied to the possibility of a God existing unless they legitimately think we are the only existence possible. In that case there is no hope at all for them.

Yet me make sure this is clear also. I'm not saying that it is the God that me and the majority of the planet believe in, but the possibility of a God is there, is it the one we believe it? Maybe, maybe not, I believe it is, but doesn't change the fact that logic still points in the direction of the possibility of there being one.

I don't think you quite understand the concept of "logic."

By your thought process, don't we also have to disprove the existence of leprechauns and unicorns? I mean, we haven't seen them, we have no evidence whatsoever that they exist, but can we REALLY rule out the possibility that they might be out there somewhere? Maybe they're just on a different planet!

You're also completely wrong if you think the number of christians on this planet is anywhere close to a "majority," but whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you quite understand the concept of "logic."

By your thought process, don't we also have to disprove the existence of leprechauns and unicorns? I mean, we haven't seen them, we have no evidence whatsoever that they exist, but can we REALLY rule out the possibility that they might be out there somewhere? Maybe they're just on a different planet!

You're also completely wrong if you think the number of christians on this planet is anywhere close to a "majority," but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Leprechauns and unicorns exist in the same manner that evolution exists then. No one has ever seen that either.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Shamalam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you quite understand the concept of "logic."

By your thought process, don't we also have to disprove the existence of leprechauns and unicorns? I mean, we haven't seen them, we have no evidence whatsoever that they exist, but can we REALLY rule out the possibility that they might be out there somewhere? Maybe they're just on a different planet!

You're also completely wrong if you think the number of christians on this planet is anywhere close to a "majority," but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Hate to break it to you, but the belief in Christ in the majority, and it does help me sleep at night. Thank you.

And no, I'm not presenting anything that has to be disproved, read my original post in this thread and you will see what I'm saying, I'm not saying "GOD EXISTS BELIEVE ME"m even though he does, I was merely pointing out an instance that is common among most atheists (I say most, because every single one I've run across base a lot of their thought process off science, but I'm assuming not all), and the absurdity behind it.

Thank you though for providing your 2cents and showing your arrogance/ignorance by ending with a comment that basically shows your knowledge being the superior knowledge. I'm actually pretty fascinated with people believes, whether it is not with what I believe or it is what I believe. I like to see how people think and their though process, and enjoy this convo quiet bit. The least you could do is post some constructive response rather acting you won some kind of argument that doesn't exist by tell me you hope I sleep better at night.

[stonez138]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to break it to you, but the belief in Christ in the majority, and it does help me sleep at night. Thank you.

You see, thats the difference between you and me. I don't need the approval of some mystical being in the sky to sleep at night.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hate to break it to you, but the belief in Christ in the majority, and it does help me sleep at night. Thank you.

And no, I'm not presenting anything that has to be disproved, read my original post in this thread and you will see what I'm saying, I'm not saying "GOD EXISTS BELIEVE ME"m even though he does, I was merely pointing out an instance that is common among most atheists (I say most, because every single one I've run across base a lot of their thought process off science, but I'm assuming not all), and the absurdity behind it.

Thank you though for providing your 2cents and showing your arrogance/ignorance by ending with a comment that basically shows your knowledge being the superior knowledge. I'm actually pretty fascinated with people believes, whether it is not with what I believe or it is what I believe. I like to see how people think and their though process, and enjoy this convo quiet bit. The least you could do is post some constructive response rather acting you won some kind of argument that doesn't exist by tell me you hope I sleep better at night.

lol, defensive much, are we? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your faith actually helps you fall asleep at night, I'm happy for you. Seriously. The world is really not that scary, but if some invisible being in the sky makes you feel better, that's great, keep it up. We all deserve to be happy and content with our short time on this planet.

Second, there are 2 billion christians on the planet and 7 billion people in total. There far more non-christians on the planet than there are christians. You are not in the majority, this is a fact. I'm not interested in debating facts with you.

I'm also not trying to "show that my knowledge is the superior knowledge." I'm trying to explain that my position is based on a lack of knowledge, which is exactly how the scientific method works. You know, the same scientific method that has resulted in all the advances and breakthroughs that make it possible for me to even type this message to you. If someone postulates that a thing exists or operates in a certain way, the burden of proof is on them to offer up evidence to support their position. It does not fall on the shoulders of everyone else to DISPROVE it, as you seem to think.

I'm not even completely discounting the possibility that you could be right! I just choose to believe in the simplest possible explanation behind our existence here, and that doesn't include a magical dude in the sky with some crazy master plan. It does include simple, verifiable, widely agreed upon physical and chemical processes that weren't pulled from a 2000-year-old book. That said, maybe it WAS god (or whoever) who designed those processes specifically so that we would end up where we are now. Nobody can really say with 100% certainty, and anyone who claims to know "the absolute truth" is full of shit. My position is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you can provide some, I'd be glad to be proven wrong. It would certainly make things a lot simpler.