ninja looting or no?

[Duckwalk]

Perhaps my "lol" was a bit ambiguous.

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said after the mob was killed it was absolutely ninja looting.

I just happen to enjoy pointing out hypocrisy and it amuses me that after all BDA's talk about fairness and taking the game less serious, it turns out they are just as desperate for pixels/invested in the game, they just can't "compete" but won't hesitate to screw over people smaller than them.

[Pricila]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one talking about ninja looting, catch up.

Also it's not a hypothetical scenario, that's pretty much exactly what happened. Enchanter A is camping mob first. Enchanter B shows up second. Mob spawns and enchanter B's people mobilize faster.

I'm just pointing out the irony of enchanter B and crew being BDA after all their complaining of getting steamrolled for years by TMO.

Because as you say, it's just a game ( except when you need that pixel, little guy be damned)

Edit: and yes keekee, BDA/TMO history goes much further back than monk trackers on Inny

Can you camp something that you cant kill?
Would that mean if u can get a like lev 10 rogue to nagy you can morally claim it since ur camping it?
What would happend if there were a lev 1 tracker in front of Verina longer than than enchanter A.

Or do you just dont like BDA and ignore the fact that this was an texbook example on how you fight a FTE mob?

cu

Pricila 55 Enchanter

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Pricila [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you camp something that you cant kill?
Would that mean if u can get a like lev 10 rogue to nagy you can morally claim it since ur camping it?
What would happend if there were a lev 1 tracker in front of Verina longer than than enchanter A.

Or do you just dont like BDA and ignore the fact that this was an texbook example on how you fight a FTE mob?

cu

Pricila 55 Enchanter

He gave them impression in the original post that he wasn't afk, was actively trying to communicate and had a kill force ready.

I would treat that as a different scenario than low lvl alts tracking raid targets. I'm not debating the legality of BDA's action whatsoever, I'm just amused by the impression this scenario gives of the white knights bullying the little guy. If I was Chest I might have tried to handle it differently.

Grats on epic btw

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps my "lol" was a bit ambiguous.



I just happen to enjoy pointing out hypocrisy and it amuses me that after all BDA's talk about fairness and taking the game less serious, it turns out they are just as desperate for pixels/invested in the game, they just can't "compete" but won't hesitate to screw over people smaller than them.

How long do you think we should have waited? Long enough for them to send tells to people on their friends list, get a good group together? Long enough for each of those people to look for a port? Long enough for them to run to Neriak? Long enough for them all to hang out and buff each other?

Have you even heard a word in any of this from a single person who has said they were en route to help Saraya? How do you know they even exist, never mind that it wouldn't have taken them half an hour to get there?

Let's be real. If this were the frenzy camp and we were a group of randoms instead of a guild there's not a snowball's chance in Hell you'd be singing this inane little song about BDA being the bad guys. I see you criticize TMO all the time, so I know you're not just some TMO troll or some sycophantic level 30 who hopes to one day join them, but please be aware that what you're doing is you're parroting a meaningless little bit of bullshit that was introduced into the discussion by TMO trolls just to stir people up and get them to think of us as the bad guys.



And Hell, you know what? Epics ARE serious. People work their asses off for months on that shit. Yeah, we're gonna grab what we can when we can, as long as we're not breaking the rules or actively stepping on someone's neck to do it. Not having the numbers to kill the mob and going MINE MINE MINE is not sufficient for "stepping on someone's neck. Believe me when I say, if this had been a situation where I felt like we were "screwing the little guy," I wouldn't have participated. None of us even had any idea Saraya was there until she ninja looted- I said it in the old thread and I stand by it, I did /who when I zoned in and saw no one but BDA. Maybe I missed her name. Maybe she zoned out for a second for some reason. Or maybe she fucking lied about being there. I don't know and I'm not going to make a claim. But at any rate, she never ooc'd, never used /say, nothing. And if she had, we'd have told her, politely, that you can't claim a mob you can't kill.

[freez]

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[Duckwalk]

I call em like I see em.

Did BDA violate any server rules? No.

Was it kind of a dick move to leap frog a new unguilded player? Kinda.

VT isn't frenzy and it isn't naggy however employing FTE raid tactics against someone unguilded/new to the raid scene without even making an attempt to communicate with them strikes me as kinda an asshole move. Especially considering the lengths BDA has gone to to change the server culture.

[Kekephee]

Hard to communicate with someone when you don't even know they're in the zone because they haven't said a goddamn word to you, know what I mean? I'll accept the position that it's a dick move to ignore someone who's trying to communicate with you, but I'm telling you that wasn't a "BDA" dick move. It wasn't the entire guild doing it. The best you can do with that argument is maybe Pricilla didn't communicate enough with the enchanter- but here's the thing, we have no idea what communications occurred between them because no one has talked about that. And even if we did, if Saraya can be defended for losing her shit and ninjalooting because the big bad raiding guild stoled her monster, then Pricilla can be excused for being too busy trying to get the guild to send people to help her kill her epic mob that she'd been waiting for for however many weeks to answer a tell from someone incapable of killing that epic mob making a spurious claim to that epic mob ten, thirty minutes in the future.

[Duckwalk]

Per Saraya in original post - "3. When Verina spawned I said to Pricila I have people on the way within several minutes (do I have to give names for witnesses?). I would think that it fair to give me a chance.

This whole time, BDA saw me both in Verina's room and during the fight. No one talked to me, no one tried to communicate."

Maybe I missed the log or another version of the encounter.

[arsenalpow]

Why are you taking everything the NINJA LOOTER said as gospel? Saraya never said a goddamn word.

[webrunner5]

This all boils down to being a nice guy or a asshole. I don't see why it takes page after page to understand this??? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]