petition to keep map software off red99

[MC Epic]

SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether you're injecting to the eqgame client, using switch port mirroring for SEQ, or parsing logs into a third party program designed to provide functionality outside what is intended by server designers.... hacking is hacking, scripting is scripting, and using mods to add unintended features or to circumvent removed features is CHEATING.

You can certainly lump them together in your head ... if that makes you happy go for it. But to the only people that matter (the developers), they're very different.

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

injecting to the eqgame client, using switch port mirroring for SEQ

These require messing with the INPUTS to Everquest.

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or parsing logs into a third party program designed to

This requires messing with the OUTPUT of Everquest.

Here's how the two interact with EQ:

 INPUTS =>  [_EQ_] => OUTPUTS

The devs can detect, prevent, and ban anyone who messes with the INPUTs because that INPUT goes through their code (the "EQ" box above). They can't do anything about this app, or about any log-parsing app, because there's no line going from OUTPUTS back to the "EQ" box.

[MC Epic]

I don't disagree with your final statement; just as they can't do anything about detecting ShowEQ on a mirrored switch port (luckily not available to everybody).

It's ultimately a community choice whether to associate a stigma with this behaviour, and I am but one voice who will refuse to associate with those who exhibit it.

[Silent]

Think mesochrist is just trolling, Either that or has no concept of 3rd party tools what so ever. Would be the equivalent of saying gamparse/GTT is equal to MQ2/SEQ when all they too do is read logs nothing more. MQ2/SEQ and other hacks go far beyond reading logs and inject into everquests memory to alter and manipulate packets. But why am I explaining this to you, I truly believe you are just trolling for the hell of it. No one should be afraid of these map tools, anyone calling not classic is fooling themselves. With the exception of Chewie, we all know he can play classic UI and hit harm touch/bash on his dozens of SK alts just as easy with no actual setup or extra gear to swap in and out.

[MC Epic]

not sure if srs or just didn't read the whole thread.

[MC Epic]

Btw; not afraid of "these map tools", but am afraid of the precedent being set by supporting third party tools to circumvent purposefully removed features.

Honestly; if supported: why not just enable client maps, and make this whole argument moot.

[LulzSect]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

running game parsers, mq, and 3rd party programs are as classic as u can get sadly to say.

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[no chewie dont]

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.

^^^this^^^

lets nip this problem in the bud b4 we have to quotation marks around words like "classic" and "legit" when describing project1999

[Aussie]

I think we should also stop the use of Vent, TS, Mumble and Skype.

That's definitely giving an unfair advantage to those players who are not using it.

It's definitely not classic either.

[no chewie dont]

while i agree with you, i regret to inform you that you've been laughed out of this thread pages ago
thx for trying tho