Saraya - level 53 unguilded enchanter - Ninja Looter

[thieros]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, while skimming through the usual nonsense, I missed that post. Thank you for enlightening me oh great one!

Can you also answer something though? How many people in BDA actually killed the mob? If there were only ever 5 people in the zone for BDA (the impression given), why wasn't she in that group?

you literally quoted the answer to your own question while asking it!

[Cecily]

I wanna know why BDA made this thread if they didn't kill the mob.

[Meiva]

This is a hit to the community. Saraya had been forming strong groups since she began playing this enchanter. You have likely seen her group schedules on the forums, and maybe have grouped with her yourself. This is a great player that, as far as I know, has not made such a mistake in the past. Instead she has helped others, while only relatively recently been seeking help for her epic quest.

A mistake was made, and it is one that can be corrected. It is unfortunate that she did not communicate better with those in the zone, as I know her to always communicate when our groups were to encroach upon another as to assure we do not disturb them. I do believe Saraya was in the wrong, but I also hope that any ban will be temporary. Many of us enjoy our time in the groups that she invests so much energy in to forming for us.

If you re-roll Saraya, you now damn well I'll help you get rolling again. It seems unjust to lose your enchanter over this.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or the group was already there for some other purpose, didn't have an Enchanter, they saw the mob asked in /gu if anyone needs, killed it and waited for said enchanter to arrive to loot it. Sara saw that no enchanter was looting it and said, "fuck, I'll take it if its going to rot, these chumps won't even talk to me"

If you aren't in the exp group that gets the kill are you entitled to it? Regardless of another groups intent? The game says this corpse is now open, which means EQ says 'have at it'. I'm not saying Sara was right, but neither was the OP. Sounds like both sides were being assholes.

1) the bda enchanter was there when verina spawned
2) the bda enchanter called for help and the guild responded
3) the bda force killed verina in 4 minutes and 15 seconds
4) the bda enchanter wasn't in the exp group
5) the loot wasn't going to rot
7) if a guild kills a mob, the guild is entitled to the loot (hard part to understand)
8) pls try to understand

[khanable]

haha pixels

[Juevento]

VT confirmed up on red server.

[Fazlazen]

another clear case of BDA bullying the little guy...

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah. Anthrax looted an executioner blade at like 10 seconds left (garbage item, left to rot) and still got suspended for it. Max lols :P

bad analogy, thats a raid encounter

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Meiva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a hit to the community. Saraya had been forming strong groups since she began playing this enchanter. You have likely seen her group schedules on the forums, and maybe have grouped with her yourself. This is a great player that, as far as I know, has not made such a mistake in the past. Instead she has helped others, while only relatively recently been seeking help for her epic quest.

A mistake was made, and it is one that can be corrected. It is unfortunate that she did not communicate better with those in the zone, as I know her to always communicate when our groups were to encroach upon another as to assure we do not disturb them. I do believe Saraya was in the wrong, but I also hope that any ban will be temporary. Many of us enjoy our time in the groups that she invests so much energy in to forming for us.

If you re-roll Saraya, you now damn well I'll help you get rolling again. It seems unjust to lose your enchanter over this.

Truthfully, I had been in a HS group with Saraya like two days before this happened. It was pretty short-lived because she joined halfway through, but she seemed like a good player and a cool person. I was surprised when I saw the message in guild chat saying she'd ninjad the book. I cringed a bit when I saw Chest had made this thread; Saraya didn't seem like someone who deserved to be name and shamed and have something like this follow her around. I knew the GMs would restore the book, probably suspend her, I didn't see any reason to drag her through town in a big cone hat and let kids throw horseshit at her. But, it was done, I had no say in it, whatever.

Here's the thing, though, that I'm trying to wrap my head around: Is it really possible to be a good player and not an idiot and really think that this "the corpse went unlooted for two minutes so I thought they had just gotten a group together to kill the mob for no reason and weren't going to loot the book and no one would mind if I took it!" argument is going to fly? Could anyone who's played this game for more than fifteen minutes in their entire life, never mind someone who has the wherewithal to form groups and grind dungeons and lead, really believe that could be a reasonable excuse?

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bad analogy, thats a raid encounter

You can either apply raid rules to this epic-level encounter and conclude that whoever has a force assembled first and gets FTE gets the mob, or you can apply group rules to this level 60 encounter and conclude that a single level 53 enchanter cannot by any stretch of the imagination kill Verina Tomb and therefore was not camping the mob. So, you know.