Rogues

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a 228 damage gap based purely on delay. Now call me crazy, but that's not much. Factor in the higher POTENTIAL hits from a 15 dmg weapon on regular melee attacks and backstabs and it's pretty easy to see that RB is the superior weapon, most of the time.

TS is a tanking and solo weapon. Every Velious parse I've seen with TS main hand has been disastrous.

Every time a RB hits for 70, a TS is hitting almost twice for 50. Unless you're hitting in the upper half of your damage table 50% of the time or more, TS is going to outdamage in the long run.

The 3 damage on a RB doesn't make as much as a hit difference as you would think.

Max hit formula is:
((Offense+STR)/100)*WeaponDamage+DamageBonus+1=Maxhit.
So, a 60 Rogue with 255 STR:
(252+255)/100=5.07.
5.07*X+12=MaxHit. Replace X with weapon damage.

Rage should hit for 88 max. Thorn hits for 72.84 which may or may not round.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every time a RB hits for 70, a TS is hitting almost twice for 50. Unless you're hitting in the upper half of your damage table 50% of the time or more, TS is going to outdamage in the long run.

The 3 damage on a RB doesn't make as much as a hit difference as you would think.

Max hit formula is:
((Offense+STR)/100)*WeaponDamage+DamageBonus+1=Maxhit.
So, a 60 Rogue with 255 STR:
(252+255)/100=5.07.
5.07*X+12=MaxHit. Replace X with weapon damage.

Rage should hit for 88 max. Thorn hits for 72.84 which may or may not round.

I don't think anyone is arguing for normal hits that thorn is not better. 3dmg for backstabs makes an appreciable difference. I don't know the exact formula for backsta and ts been tweaked a number of times on the server. We are talking small differences here anyway, but thorn stinger is sweet and no one will convince me otherwise. It's almost as sweet as burning rapier.