The Reptilian RL Iksar Thread!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there's also the problem of evil if someone is referring to the christian/abrahamic god.

Why would that be a problem?

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would that be a problem?

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

[r00t]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Premise fails as god isnt omnibenevolent only jesus is

source: old testament

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Premise fails as god isnt omnibenevolent only jesus is

source: old testament

book of daniel?

(edit additions):

hebrew bible is the basis for the christian testaments

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1 God exists.

2 God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.

3 An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.

4 An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.

5 An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.

6 A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.

7 If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God, then no evil exists.

8 Evil exists (logical contradiction).

Not at all. Its only a logical failure when approached from such a rigid and illogical angle. All creatures are given free will. Evil exists because of consequence of choice.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all. Its only a logical failure when approached from such a rigid and illogical angle. All creatures are given free will. Evil exists because of consequence of choice.

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

[Grimfan]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

Honestly the god you're talking about isn't the god that Christians believe in, although what you described is correct, you cannot have a god with all three o's.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Grimfan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly the god you're talking about isn't the god that Christians believe in, although what you described is correct, you cannot have a god with all three o's.

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow....ibutes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...n_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-at...ibutes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then god would not be all powerful. the rigidity is there because this is rhetorical discourse which is dictated by logic, the law of non-contradiction. there is no free will in the abrahamic model due to the events having only come into possibility via god's will. so that 3 year old with leukemia that will die from it any day now is god's will.

If that's he model you use to describe god, please don't say its based on the bible. That's so far off it isn't funny.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that's he model you use to describe god, please don't say its based on the bible. That's so far off it isn't funny.

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow....ibutes-of-god/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribu...n_Christianity

http://www.equip.org/articles/the-at...ibutes-of-god/

http://www.theopedia.com/List_of_God's_known_attributes

it's what they believe in, but the early church fucked up by platonizing the religion. then again if they didn't there probably would be no church to refer to as the early church