The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Daysprung [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you figure? The server was doing just fine back when it was allowed.

Really? People and guilds who want access to content are being blocked by people who are going in for MQing the same stuff 5x, 10x more. How is that 'just fine'? What you all are charging for that stuff is direct result of people who RMT and PAY for that stuff in such a fashion. There are some people with the plat to buy but not the average person. Without a market, people will move on, period.

Originally Posted by weezilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Removing the sellers more quickly probably would help keep relatively innocent people out of this stuff. As everyone keeps saying, a lot of people from classic have jobs and families now and it's quite tempting to buy at least a little plat. If sellers know bans are happening routinely, they may be less likely to attempt to enter the p1999 market.

I think the more courteous thing to do would be to handle punishment a little more organically. You bought 10k? Let me delete 10k from your account, or a 10k item... Obviously this wouldn't work for every case, but at least then some people would be allowed to go on contributing to p1999 population.

It's crappy there's such a strict perma-ban policy on this. The damage has been done by the time the transactions are over (especially for such a delayed ban wave). Give a few of the less-guilty parties their accounts back and they'll know not to do it again, and also warn their friends not to participate in that stuff.

It is not crappy. It is in the EULA and has been in the rules as long as the server has been going. The time and energy it would take to accomplish what you propose is absurdly large. In fact I find your entire post here absurd. Alot of items and Plat are now gone forever and the server is better for it.

[weezilla]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not crappy. It is in the EULA and has been in the rules as long as the server has been going. The time and energy it would take to accomplish what you propose is absurdly large. In fact I find your entire post here absurd. Alot of items and Plat are now gone forever and the server is better for it.

People screw up, and to lose days of work on a hobby sucks. I was nicked for something trivial I was unkowingly involved in (about 2k from my friend) and somehow I think that a couple minutes of someone's time is worth salvaging at least several thousand minutes of my time. I know someone will say it, we play for free. Well when you're essentially the arbiter of people's time like this, I think there's an obligation to make efforts not to destroy people's time investment when they were marginally involved.

Plat and items are going to compound over time on the server. Tracking known sellers over long periods of time and not providing a remedy fairly quickly may get more items/plat removed, but also fuels the market to farm/camp more for those sellers and assures them they can get their money. Albeit I'm making the assumption that they tracked sellers for a while before banning them, but given the availability of plat online, that seems to be the case.

tldr: Banning sellers more quickly, and working with individuals banned would be more appropriate.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by weezilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tldr: Banning sellers more quickly, and working with individuals banned would be more appropriate.

Had they banned the RMTers quicker, they'd just be bitching about something different like how much they lost to said seller. Not only was this imo the best way and most efficient in the crusade on RMT, but it is also the most beneficial to our economy.

[weezilla]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had they banned the RMTers quicker, they'd just be bitching about something different like how much they lost to said seller. Not only was this imo the best way and most efficient in the crusade on RMT, but it is also the most beneficial to our economy.

Then let's carry that idea to its conclusion. RMT is allowed flourish more than it otherwise could for the benefit of removing more capital from the game.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by weezilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then let's carry that idea to its conclusion. RMT is allowed flourish more than it otherwise could for the benefit of removing more capital from the game.

Or maybe it was allowed to gain what it did so they could easier get rid of a bunch of RMTers instead of two. Who cares? They basically went against the rules of the server, they deserved it.