Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[purist]

In the words of Taysh, a Wood Elf Rogue and Officer of Vesica Dei, who upon being asked wtf he was doing as he repeatedly pickpocketed someone killing SGs in Oasis, had this to say:

"I am a Rogue, I will do whatever I wish."

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the words of Taysh, a Wood Elf Rogue and Officer of Vesica Dei, who upon being asked wtf he was doing as he repeatedly pickpocketed someone killing SGs in Oasis, had this to say:

"I am a Rogue, I will do whatever I wish."

Isnt that the proper definition of a rogue as any though? lol

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isnt that the proper definition of a rogue as any though? lol

Not quite...

The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can’t do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can’t. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you’ll have to square with that some day. And me, for example, I can let you drown, but I can’t bring this ship into Tortuga all by me onesies, savvy? So, can you sail under the command of a pirate, or can you not?

[purist]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isnt that the proper definition of a rogue as any though? lol

lol yeah, I was quoting it 'cause it's awesome and that's how Rogues roll

[ShadowWulf]

I want to be able to pickpocket other players.
Then destroy their manastone while they watch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[yaeger]

Back on the Classic Server, rogues used to be able to pickpocket anything.

For example, anything on a mobs loot table was fair game. After enough people finished killing a raid boss (Naggy, Vox, Cazic for example), loot the corpse, and finding nothing on it they finally complained enough that the devs limited Rogue PP to non-magical items.

Personally I have no problem with Rogues taking PP from engaged or non-engaged mobs. I also have no problem with Rogues pickpocketing items from named mobs before they are engaged.

On the other hand, the rogue is supposed to be the outlaw, the rebel, the thief. It fits perfectly into the class that the rogue can 'steal' from other players.

I doubt the devs are going to do anything about it. The mechanic is fine, you just have to convince the people playing the 'outlaw' class to play nice.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back on the Classic Server, rogues used to be able to pickpocket anything.

For example, anything on a mobs loot table was fair game. After enough people finished killing a raid boss (Naggy, Vox, Cazic for example), loot the corpse, and finding nothing on it they finally complained enough that the devs limited Rogue PP to non-magical items.

Personally I have no problem with Rogues taking PP from engaged or non-engaged mobs. I also have no problem with Rogues pickpocketing items from named mobs before they are engaged.

On the other hand, the rogue is supposed to be the outlaw, the rebel, the thief. It fits perfectly into the class that the rogue can 'steal' from other players.

I doubt the devs are going to do anything about it. The mechanic is fine, you just have to convince the people playing the 'outlaw' class to play nice.

The problem I have with the mechanic is that it causes one to question so much else which seems wrong with the class. Sure, "outlaws" are typically able to steal from people and get good at it.

So good they can sneak by a very old dragon, steal a bunch of very heavy and valuable items and bags full of platinum and leave without the dragon noticing?

Furthermore, how can they simply disappear from plain sight? Are they magical? If they're magically disappearing from sight, why don't they have to use mana to remain hidden?

If Rogues are "so good" at stealing, why aren't monks "so good" at kicking? Why can't the monk split the dragon's head in two in one blow? They "hone their bodies into weapons," don't they? Why does feign death ever fail if monks are so good at it?

Why can't a wizard call a 6000-ton meteor from the sky, smash through the mountain and crush Nagafen to death? They are "masters of the arcane," aren't they?



I just think it's a silly mechanic at the degree to which they can currently act. Sure, rogues are supposed to be masters of subtlety and theft - but there's supposed to be more limitations. I don't give a crap how good of a magician or illusionist you are RL, you're not stealing a sword from me that i'm holding in my hand in front of my face, without me noticing. I can buy that you'd steal small items or stored items from bags - I know how good some airport thieves are.

But stealing from a freaking dragon? Gimme a break =P

[ryuut1]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem I have with the mechanic is that it causes one to question so much else which seems wrong with the class. Sure, "outlaws" are typically able to steal from people and get good at it.

So good they can sneak by a very old dragon, steal a bunch of very heavy and valuable items and bags full of platinum and leave without the dragon noticing?

Furthermore, how can they simply disappear from plain sight? Are they magical? If they're magically disappearing from sight, why don't they have to use mana to remain hidden?

If Rogues are "so good" at stealing, why aren't monks "so good" at kicking? Why can't the monk split the dragon's head in two in one blow? They "hone their bodies into weapons," don't they? Why does feign death ever fail if monks are so good at it?

Why can't a wizard call a 6000-ton meteor from the sky, smash through the mountain and crush Nagafen to death? They are "masters of the arcane," aren't they?



I just think it's a silly mechanic at the degree to which they can currently act. Sure, rogues are supposed to be masters of subtlety and theft - but there's supposed to be more limitations. I don't give a crap how good of a magician or illusionist you are RL, you're not stealing a sword from me that i'm holding in my hand in front of my face, without me noticing. I can buy that you'd steal small items or stored items from bags - I know how good some airport thieves are.

But stealing from a freaking dragon? Gimme a break =P

i've pick pocketed everything up to planar bosses. you can steal this:

gems(not lambent stones or other magical ones)
spell reagents
coin
other reagents, non-magical

the post was made over some dude MAYBE losing one of his alli gems, and he's probably held the camp for 5 hours with his mage or necro anyhow.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by ryuut1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've pick pocketed everything up to planar bosses. you can steal this:

gems(not lambent stones or other magical ones)
spell reagents
coin
other reagents, non-magical

the post was made over some dude MAYBE losing one of his alli gems, and he's probably held the camp for 5 hours with his mage or necro anyhow.

Sure, and its probably not a huge deal - and my statements are only with regards to those who think "Rogues should be able to steal anything" is somehow reasonable. What you mentioned I think is pretty reasonable.

Stealing awesome (magic) weapons from in-game gods? Yeah right. :P

[redghosthunter]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But stealing from a freaking dragon? Gimme a break =P

Bilbo..... Smogg? Bilbo clearly let Smogg see him -After- Bilbo had pocketed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]