WTB Manastone (65k)

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well I guess that explains it. If you had it your way they'd be worth a million, too bad their not and never will be (actually some servers on live they may go for this much, but no one gives a shit about them). For a guy who played a druid for 8 years on live, they were pretty much worthless for my class for that whole duration afaic (I did not play in classic).

It takes 600 hp's away for the cost of mana just to port / gate back if you're counting clicks on the stone and all the "free mana" you get from it (not to mention the mana cost to keep perma chloro / regrowth going). It just isn't worth it unless you can use it on the spot while hunting / quading / grouping where you can instantly sit right back down letting life regen faster.

Now for use on classic? It's great, I love it. As for other classes and their usefulness? I can't say. I guess I could port a cleric out and keep healing him over and over and over so he can get a full bar then gate back, sure would be awesome for him, yea I bet. Or the Wizard epic clicks... But as for a Druid who you say it's so essential for? I don't think so.

There's no reason you'd have to heal the cleric. They can stone/CH to full in like 2-3 minutes max -- shorter if they have Donal's Arms or Donal's BP, which are mana-free 200hp heal and CH (though with long casting times) in Kunark. If you love it in classic, then there's no reason not to in Kunark. It just becomes more useful, because with expanded mana pools and increased hp regen/heals, it's going to be more and more of a pain to regenerate mana, while you have more and more hp to spare. The initial 200 mana pay-to-play hit is not that big a deal when you're regenning 20+ hp a tick with regrowth up. If you're medding from OOM, a manastone basically cuts your downtime into 1/2 to 1/3 of what it would be otherwise. It might be annoying to port/gate and do all the actual manastone/healing/regen-ing rather than passively medding, but it's well worth it in terms of actual utility.

[Slax]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with expanded mana pools and increased hp regen/heals, it's going to be more and more of a pain to regenerate mana, while you have more and more hp to spare.

When I quit your average higher end druid had around 30k hp's, now they got around 40k. So with expanded mana / hp regeneration and way way bigger HP / mana pools, the manastone should be better than ever, right? Never ever ever never in all my time of playing a druid, with other high end druids, have I seen a druid port out to Karana or something to use a manastone then gate back. Now if I got to port a cleric out too, so he can make use of it? It triples the mana cost.

No way is it useful enough, not for a druid. Not to mention the danger of being in a deep dungeon and taking the chance of dying while bound down there, if you even can bind there.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I quit your average higher end druid had around 30k hp's, now they got around 40k. So with expanded mana / hp regeneration and way way bigger HP / mana pools, the manastone should be better than ever, right? Never ever ever never in all my time of playing a druid, with other high end druids, have I seen a druid port out to Karana or something to use a manastone then gate back. Now if I got to port a cleric out too, so he can make use of it? It triples the mana cost.

No way is it useful enough, not for a druid. Not to mention the danger of being in a deep dungeon and taking the chance of dying while bound down there, if you even can bind there.

No -- with expanded mana regeneration, the manastone becomes useless. What makes the manastone so awesome is the fact that max mana regen through Velious is garbage. There is no flowing thought or AAs or anything of the like. It takes for-the-fuck-ever to med from OOM to full. And when you're porting out clerics, it would typically be in raid or grouped situations, when druid mana means dick anyway. Clerics are all-important.

I don't know what eras you played in, but porting out for manastone usage is literally an every-day strategy in Kunark and Velious. Both for soloing and for raiding.

[Slax]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No -- with expanded mana regeneration, the manastone becomes useless. What makes the manastone so awesome is the fact that max mana regen through Velious is garbage. There is no flowing thought or AAs or anything of the like. It takes for-the-fuck-ever to med from OOM to full. And when you're porting out clerics, it would typically be in raid or grouped situations, when druid mana means dick anyway. Clerics are all-important.

I don't know what eras you played in, but porting out for manastone usage is literally an every-day strategy in Kunark and Velious. Both for soloing and for raiding.

Druids / Wizards / Clerics do this now while raiding the planes? And even with expanded flowing thought, the manstone is still instant clicky! If it's so useful that still beat's any amount of flowing thought of mana you get per 3 second tic. And porting / gating around is even less of a drop in the bucket, right?

Seems to me with your reasoning the manastone should never ever be useless, no matter how much flowing thought you have. Once the nostalgia of actually owning a manastone wears off, most people will sell em at a loss to what they originally paid for it.

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't want one, don't buy one, but your irritation and implications will not lower the price.

I have one, and right now it's awesome. Come Kunark tho .. If people are paying 250k+? Bet your sweet ass mine will be the first up for sale. And you linked some circle click pants? I thought it was gonna be a link to the elder's BP which is a little closer than some skyshrine faction quest pants for an expansion that's who-knows how long away from now, 2 years? heh.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Originally Posted by Slax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druids / Wizards / Clerics do this now while raiding the planes? And even with expanded flowing thought, the manstone is still instant clicky! If it's so useful that still beat's any amount of flowing thought of mana you get per 3 second tic. And porting / gating around is even less of a drop in the bucket, right?

Seems to me with your reasoning the manastone should never ever be useless, no matter how much flowing thought you have. Once the nostalgia of actually owning a manastone wears off, most people will sell em at a loss to what they originally paid for it.

I think you're smart enough to work out the math for yourself and figure out why this argument is a non-sequitur. People aren't porting their clerics out of the planes after wipes because the guilds whose clerics have manastones typically don't wipe except in sky, where keys are a much greater concern than mana recovery.