How much native american influence you think america had as a democracy and culture?

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Thrynn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, I ask, why are Mayan in a discussion of the political development in North America during the 1600's until the Constitution was ratified?

All civilization, even proto-Sumeria had influence from people before it. It's important to trace the etymology of values, to discern a better picture. My educational background is specific to socio-anthropology, and unfortunately it was specific to near-eastern society.

Originally Posted by Thrynn

Oh Bull fucking shit!

What are you a fuckin Jehovah's Witness? always putting off the end of the world due to miscalculations and misinterpretations?

Puhleeze.... I knew that as 2012 approached peopel would just try to come up with excuses and bullshit just like they did for Y2K.

No and there isn't an end to the world coming in 2012; I did not say such a thing. I said that the long count calendar simply stopped. So yes, 2012 has absolutely nothing to do with the end of the world. It has nothing to do with that silly planet Nibiru (which is just bad science, where's the increased solar wobble? the disturbance in the local system? we'd see it incoming by now, etc) and it's moon full of lizard people so many people on the Internet cling to. 2036 is far more important for an end of the world scenario, since that will be the nearest apophis will come to our planet.

I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I'm going to wait for a post to re-rail us.

[Gukag]

I think it's pretty much a given you know next to nothing about Meso American civilizations. The clue was when you started talking the so called end of the world scenario as "predicted" by the Mayan calendar.
This is the type of faux history bullshit that people randomely pick up from crappy TV shows where people with tonorous voices dispense an endless barrage of bullshit, "may be's" and "perhaps" and "it has been speculated" and "here is random expert number 64, we're using special sound effects and images and fancy titles in order to convince you he's an authority on the subject, let's hear the bullshit he has to say".
Basically, go open a fucking book. I think Taxi is a bleeding heart liberal, probably very young, idealistic, etc...I wouldn't say I'd agree with him on any subject political, but at least he interprets data and has some semblance of background knowledge, unlike people who just won't shut the fuck up even though they have zero knowledge on the subject.

TL;DR: go read a fucking book.