Building a Mosque??? WTF

[azeth]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not to say there aren't any valid critiques of womens' status in different Muslim societies, each with their own colonial history. But the type of reductionism many of my fellow atheists engage in, wherein it's all inherently religion's fault.. "The oppresion of women in ___ country is all ___ religion's fault" is just obdurate, willful ignorance. I don't believe you can view religion in a vacuum, as an isolated force removed from any broader political context. The predominant factor determining the role Islam plays and character it takes from Afghanistan to Bosnia to Indonesia is going to reflect the material conditions of that country. This is as opposed to it being a reflection of the inherent character of the religion. Religion is rooted in specific socio-economic conditions and until those are transformed simply dealing with the superstructure means nothing. Base determines superstructure. These issues are linked to culture, misogyny, poverty and above all: the male fear of female advancement.
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no kidding, thanks for clearing that up for no one.

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no kidding, thanks for clearing that up for no one.

Actually, I think he hit a key issue, though his response seems directed not at me or you, but those in the thread who are attacking Islam based on women's rights. (among other things)

[azeth]

I'm sorry but if anyone (regardless of which you're on) is formulating their opinion based on anyone's responses in this thread, you should not be posting.


This includes my own responses. Who the fuck am I to you? I'm grew up a rich white bleeding heart liberal, did you? Why believe me? Why take my perspective?

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but if anyone (regardless of which you're on) is formulating their opinion based on anyone's responses in this thread, you should not be posting.


This includes my own responses. Who the fuck am I to you? I'm grew up a rich white bleeding heart liberal, did you? Why believe me? Why take my perspective?

I never said I was formulating my opinion based on anything in this thread... I merely thought he made a good point.

Everyone should formulate their own opinion based on reason.

[azeth]

fyi i have disgusting grammar in the quote above me. fml.

also, the internet has a way of loosening intent and delivering flames.

i apologize

[Enderenter]

Don't worry about it, this is R&F after all.

I could care less if I am called a flaming toad or what have you, ss long as the issues are addressed and responded to.

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Enderenter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone should formulate their own opinion based on reason.

Stuff like this perhaps How To Stone Someone To Death: A Gruesome Guide

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Oh wait, perhaps I'm just being a "colonial feminists" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by Toony [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stuff like this perhaps How To Stone Someone To Death: A Gruesome Guide

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Oh wait, perhaps I'm just being a "colonial feminists" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Straw-man fallacy.

Many women are beaten or used as sex tools in America. Does that mean that all Americans do that?

[Toony]

Originally Posted by Enderenter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Straw-man fallacy.

Many women are beaten or used as sex tools in America. Does that mean that all Americans do that?

Quote the part where I claimed all Muslims did this memespeak man.

[purist]

So, Toony.. Is your post supposed to have any discernable point? Please tell us what you are trying to say.