How much native american influence you think america had as a democracy and culture?

[Estu]

I don't think Native Americans get a bad rap, at least not in public schools; they tend to be praised a lot in the school systems. Anyway, Robert Pirsig has some interesting ideas about this in his book 'Lila' that I'm reading now. He thinks that American culture (specifically USA) is part European and part Native American, and that we can see the Native American influences, which are often overlooked, by contrasting with the European influences. One poignant example he gives is the classic Western movie protagonist, whose cool demeanor, taciturn behavior, sudden violence when provoked, and various other characteristics strongly evoke Native Americans, but we never associate this archetype with Native Americans because it was a subconscious thing and because Native Americans were demonized publicly. He says that this archetype developed from mountain men and pioneers who admired and took after Native Americans, and who then later transferred their behaviors to these Western movie heroes and the like. My recounting of this isn't complete or totally accurate, though, so I would just read the book.

[Friday]

1st week of College History 1301?

[Taxi]

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1st week of College History 1301?

Aww are you sore about that reply in that other thread? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can always enlighten us with your knowledge instead of being a smart-ass!

[Friday]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aww are you sore about that reply in that other thread? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can always enlighten us with your knowledge instead of being a smart-ass!

I have revisionist views when it comes to English/Spanish/French occupation of the Americas. I'm not Jaded about it thought. The invasion of North America was the best thing since rain-proof teepee's!

[PhelanKA]

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1st week of College History 1301?

More like a whole life spent in Quebec hating white people and Western culture. He's the same kinda moron that will rant about how horrible the US is and refer to Iran as peaceful and tolerant in the same breath.

He's a bleeding heart liberal troll at it's finest.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More like a whole life spent in Quebec hating white people and Western culture. He's the same kinda moron that will rant about how horrible the US is and refer to Iran as peaceful and tolerant in the same breath.

He's a bleeding heart liberal troll at it's finest.

Actually if you would know the history of Quebec, youd know we are more liberal here in Quebec because we used to be called "White ******s" by english canadians and told to "speak white". Theres a parallel to be made with how blacks were treated historically in the states and french canadians, although the abuse was milder. So that kinda puts things in perspective for some of us, and yes we have views on american racism as well. Thats not the purpose of this thread though, so i wont answer any more personal attacks.

[PhelanKA]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually if you would know the history of Quebec, youd know we are more liberal here in Quebec because we used to be called "White ******s" by english canadians and told to "speak white". Theres a parallel to be made with how blacks were treated historically in the states and french canadians, although the abuse was milder. So that kinda puts things in perspective for some of us, and yes we have views on american racism as well. Thats not the purpose of this thread though, so i wont answer any more personal attacks.

I guess what I meant to say is: You're an idiot. Shut the fuck up. You don't know shit about Native Americans. Sitting around talking to resolve disputes? Yeah, the European colonists did the same thing. It's called "Diplomacy", dipshit. And I find it hilarious that you think the Iriqois and Aztec were some sort of progressive cultures. Get a clue. They sacrificed babies to the fucking sun.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by PhelanKA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess what I meant to say is: You're an idiot. Shut the fuck up. You don't know shit about Native Americans. Sitting around talking to resolve disputes? Yeah, the European colonists did the same thing. It's called "Diplomacy", dipshit. And I find it hilarious that you think the Iriqois and Aztec were some sort of progressive cultures. Get a clue. They sacrificed babies to the fucking sun.

I didnt say they were perfect. Does Europe burning a hundred thousand women during the 2 centuries the witch craze lasted mean that Bartolomé de las Casas (chronicler of human rights abuses by spanish conquistadors) never existed?

[PhelanKA]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didnt say they were perfect. Does Europe burning a hundred thousand women during the 2 centuries the witch craze lasted mean that Bartolomé de las Casas (chronicler of human rights abuses by spanish conquistadors) never existed?

We all fall short the glory of God...

Seriously though, that is the point. No civilization or country or person will ever meet your criteria. So why give a fuck? Get yours and get out, man. Trying to fix the world will just make you hate it all the more. Individual freedom is ubiquitous (see also: anarchy). It's just riskier in some regions than others [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]