Building a Mosque??? WTF

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True Muslims, not the ones that misquote the Qu'ran for their own goals, are usually wonderful people. I say that we as a country you need to learn to respect more religions that don't fall under Judeo-Christianism morality. I'm hoping that they keep things positive and open some eyes, but I'm worried that the opposition is going to be too heavy. I've been by the Islamic Center in Tacoma a few times, and someone reciting Takbir and the entire crowd erupting in Allahu Akhbar is kind of inspiring. It seems more heart felt than amen, or halleluja.

Capital isn't that tough to raise, and I really don't care about their motives or intent, I just want the United States of America to wake up before it's just a footnote in a history book. "The Decline of the Great American Empire", is not a book I'd want to have to read.

the problem is that they aren't misquoting the qu'ran. american islam IS a very different culture than the islam of the middle east. islam in its simplest form is a very passive religion about personal relationship with god in america. in the middle east those relationships are extended outward towards others. the problem is that the qu'ran can be read both ways, and (without having to misquote it) you can very easily read the qu'ran as a violent text.

i don't hate american islam...but, when someone tells you that muslim jidhadists in the middle east are misreading the qur'an they are full of shit. they aren't misreading it...go read the surah of the sword, for example, and tell me otherwise:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

that isn't a misquote...MAYBE it isn't supposed to be taken literally in our times, but it isn't a misquote. there are many many verses that support this, too many in my opinion, to pretend that it is absent from the quran.

[Abacab niggah]

"They cometh for the head of the beast, to slay him and eat the fat of his gain, let he with word of flame, and followers of threatening gaze run rampant upon those who so greedily lie in sloth"- Abacab 14:2

[jelatin]

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[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

go read the surah of the sword, for example, and tell me otherwise:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

The full verse is

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

And by the teachings is meant to be taken with:

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing." Surah 8:61

It also loses some of it's meaning when translated to English, much like a Christian bible when compared to Septuagint text.

Grouping all of American-Islam into an extremist category is like grouping all Catholic priests into the category of child molesters. Maybe it's because I was raised Buddhist that I have a different viewpoint [and respect for all religions], but I'm just not seeing it.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The full verse is

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

And by the teachings is meant to be taken with:

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing." Surah 8:61

It also loses some of it's meaning when translated to English, much like a Christian bible when compared to Septuagint text.

Grouping all of American-Islam into an extremist category is like grouping all Catholic priests into the category of child molesters. Maybe it's because I was raised Buddhist that I have a different viewpoint [and respect for all religions], but I'm just not seeing it.

The Old Testament in the King James Bible is full of similar shit. Does that make all Christians blood thirsty zealots? Should we judge all Christians by those lunatics fucks who protest soldier's funerals? No, and we shouldn't judge all Muslims but some backwards shit in their holy book either. Punish the individuals transgressors, not the people as a whole.

[Abacab niggah]

Thank Xenu I'm a scientologist!

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[Straif]

The only reason it's a news topic is a political distraction.

The media has vilified Islam since 9/11. When it comes to the Qu'ran people misinterpret what they don't understand.

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian. He blew up the federal building in Oklahoma, are people not allowed to build churches near federal property?

Fear makes people do reckless things. Personally if I was a Muslim involved in this whole ordeal I'd try to make a point to be more open with the public in having a debate and offering some insight and information on Islam. If people continue to be ignorant after an education, than that's on them.

A lot of the older southern population believe in all sorts of crazy shit when it comes to Islam. As well as still extremely prejudice (race is still a big issue in this country.) Islam is a faith to more than a BILLION people on the face of the earth, to say that amount of people have the only one objective and it's to kill infidels, you're a fucking retard. Not to mention the enormous amount of WHITE Muslims.

People need to do more reading and less believing what ANY media outlet tells them.

[Straif]

Also... adding to what Fugazi said... rhetoric would want you to believe that they're building a "SUPER" "MEGA" "GIANT" Mosque and want you to believe it was literally being built directly on the site of the WTC.

Jihad is also made up of multiple facets.

In the end however it's is a conversation with God.

[Fanon_EMarr]

It's a community center being built two blocks away from Ground Zero on privately-owned property.

But you know what? I wish it were a giant mosque being built right at the center of Ground Zero. Why? Because it's a giant "Go Fuck Yourselves" to the Muslim extremists who hate us because we stand for religious plurality.

And it would also be a giant "Go Fuck Yourselves" to the talking heads who only believe in fundamental American rights and values when it's fucking convenient.

[eqdruid76]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Old Testament in the King James Bible is full of similar shit. Does that make all Christians blood thirsty zealots? Should we judge all Christians by those lunatics fucks who protest soldier's funerals? No, and we shouldn't judge all Muslims but some backwards shit in their holy book either. Punish the individuals transgressors, not the people as a whole.

Deep down, it sure does.

Thou shalt not kill......unless it's in the name of God, then it's fine.

Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy.......except we can't agree on what day the Sabbath actually is.

Thou shalt not worship any graven images.....now turn on your televisions and send my evangelists money to heal you.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife....unless thy neighbor is Brad Pitt.

And so on...