Congratulations Lord Bob

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if they didn't ask, this doesn't change my stance that telling Doljon to play your way or GTFO of Class R is hypocritical and wrong, which is what my responses in this thread have been about.

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

I think you fail to understand that the raid agreements were not based upon a philosophy of different sides or the playstyles of different sides - they took place because of the practical fact that only 3 guilds were killing shit for years.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by compavik

Sounds like deru's saying we should band together to enforce the player made sky rotation, but not the player made class r rotation

Originally Posted by Derubael

This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

uh. what?

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

And here's where I bow out, because you're never going to get it.

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content. What you think it was about and what it was actually about are two entirely different things. If these talks had been entirely player driven and created, it would be acceptable to make your own reasoning as to why they took place. Unfortunately, they were not, so please don't tell me what the central issue was when you had no part in getting them started in the first place. If this was about what you say it was about, Rogean would have enforced a rotation on Class R.

Good day, sirs. I have made my point, it is valid, if you do not get it, please re-read then /facepalm.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Our play-style involves asking them to play our play-style.

[Mirana]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Isn't the entire concept of the new raid system to force people to play a certain way? So then why is it hypocritical to ask Bob Guild to play in a certain way?

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with forcing play styles.

I guess I don't really understand your position. The new raid policy forces people to play the game a certain way. The ultimate goal of that forced style is so that everyone can, as you said, experience content. Yet, the actions of Bob guild clearly contradict the spirit of everyone "experiencing content." I don't think the guild that got leapfrogged got to "experience content."

For the record, I have no horse in this race. My highest character is a 39 druid. However, I am entirely in favor of the new raiding system. I also have nothing against the guides and am immensely thankful for all the work that goes into making this server a reality.

I'm just totally confused by your comments, they seem highly contradictory.