IB/FE Raiding

[Aksiom2k]

I was curious about this as well. More for the reasons of having multiple trackers/pullers in a zone like TD for Faydedar. Cooperatively, you may have 4 in zone, while all other guilds who are "contesting" may only have 2 (this assumes a FFA or class C status on Fay). It makes sense that TMO would be annoyed that 2 guilds are cooperating in a bracket called...Contested...where each guild is supposed to be competing against the others. If you are going to be Class C, it stands to reason that you should be competing as a single guild, whether that guild is FE, IB, or FE/IB. However, if you do choose to be cooperative, me honest about it in the initial stages, i.e. tracking, and maintain a total of only 2 shared reps in zone.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Aksiom2k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was curious about this as well. More for the reasons of having multiple trackers/pullers in a zone like TD for Faydedar. Cooperatively, you may have 4 in zone, while all other guilds who are "contesting" may only have 2 (this assumes a FFA or class C status on Fay). It makes sense that TMO would be annoyed that 2 guilds are cooperating in a bracket called...Contested...where each guild is supposed to be competing against the others. If you are going to be Class C, it stands to reason that you should be competing as a single guild, whether that guild is FE, IB, or FE/IB. However, if you do choose to be cooperative, me honest about it in the initial stages, i.e. tracking, and maintain a total of only 2 shared reps in zone.

The general complaint is that the joint raids tend to stop on repop days. Thus, both guilds can each hit the bag limit separately. The loot gained by each individual guild then strengthens the joint raid force when they do raid together.

IB/FE is limiting itself to a proper amount of representatives on joint kills, so there is no complaint there. The chief concernis the circumvention of the bag limit.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The general complaint is that the joint raids tend to stop on repop days. Thus, both guilds can each hit the bag limit separately. The loot gained by each individual guild then strengthens the joint raid force when they do raid together.

IB/FE is limiting itself to a proper amount of representatives on joint kills, so there is no complaint there. The chief concernis the circumvention of the bag limit.

There is no circumvention of the bag limit. FE and IB are two different guilds; FE and IB have split on repops before the raid rules changed and see no reason to be bound to raid together when it doesnt suit them to do so. You do not get to choose whether FE and IB are one guild or two - the only thing that matters is that in the instances that we do raid together we adhere to the raid rules.

[Jaxon]

Maybe TMO could find some friends to joint raid with. You know, spruce yourself up a little, maybe a new hairdo?

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe TMO could find some friends to joint raid with. You know, spruce yourself up a little, maybe a new hairdo?

Well what i read is that it would actually be ok to split TMO in 3 sub guild or more and then just to non-joint raid on repop and grab everything.

Is that it ?

Cause i though that was one of the concern during the negociation.

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well what i read is that it would actually be ok to split TMO in 3 sub guild or more and then just to non-joint raid on repop and grab everything.

Is that it ?

Cause i though that was one of the concern during the negociation.

I would be totally ok if TMO did that.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well what i read is that it would actually be ok to split TMO in 3 sub guild or more and then just to non-joint raid on repop and grab everything.

Is that it ?

Cause i though that was one of the concern during the negociation.

Seems reasonable.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well what i read is that it would actually be ok to split TMO in 3 sub guild or more and then just to non-joint raid on repop and grab everything.

Is that it ?

Cause i though that was one of the concern during the negociation.

I would love to see you try. Not only would you go above and beyond to bend rules, but you would fail.

[Tasslehoff]

it's ok to bend them if you were in the same situation before the rules came around tho

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Tasslehoff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's ok to bend them if you were in the same situation before the rules came around tho

No - there is no bending of any rules. FE, IB, and TMO are all listed ac class C guilds. They are all different guilds who can make or break any type of alliances they see fit. What they cant do - or atleast what I think the GMs may take issue with - is splintering off into sub guilds to intentionally maneuver around the rules.

When I said I would like to see TMO try, however, it ihas nothing to do with whether it would or would not be allowed but because I highly doubt that by splitting their forces they would be able to coordinate beating FE and IB when they already have issues doing so as a unified body.

When people get so worked up that they abandon all practical considerations in their replies they really shouldnt be taken seriously.