Boxing

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by hueylewis187 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If boxing is allowed even 2.

The server is done. Why would they do this?

I personally can understand why people don't want boxing, grouping is a PITA, thats fine. Boxing doesn't discourage grouping, boxing makes groups easier to form imo. I do however think this won't be positive until the release of kunark when the world becomes much much bigger so people will be spread out more. With the smaller amount of people the harder it will be overall to get groups. If i was boxing a tank and or a healer, and a dps was LFG near me, I'd snatch them up in a sec because killing faster would = more xp for me.

Efficiency is ALL that matters when leveling. The only real people it would affect negatively IMO is solo'ers. I've grouped up a few times with other necros, druids etc etc so we could kill more efficiently, but with the ability to two box, that would probably never happen, but hey, I can solo for better xp than 90 % of the people that play so who cares?

People are against boxing mostly because they themselves can't do it. Saying that boxing is anti-classic is an outright lie, everyone boxed back then, I played my friends toon while he was at school along side mine while leveling in live, both in and out of groups. What boxing will do, effectively double the population *albeit not truely doubling it* it will also attract alot of the people who didn't come to play here who play weird hours. I usually play in the middle of the night, so I couldn't pick a group class, I was stuck picking a necro, because I needed the ability to solo because no one groups ta that hour of night and if they did they were not my level. Now that I'm 50 and I've started raiding I've noticed that alot of the solo classes are more flakey than any of the other classes simply put because alot of them got honed into their classes because of the time they play and they just didn't enjoy game play.

I disagree with the masses on this one, I do think boxing *2 toons* should be enabled for kunark, the world will become so much bigger that in order to keep enough people to make groups it will almost need to happen. I've had alot of friends who refused to come to this server simply put because they couldn't box, and they didn't want to sit LFG all the time because like one of the above posters said, they only had 30 minutes, and they didn't want to play a solo class.

Classic didn't restrict this, so I will take the stance of a lot of the other whiners on this server, ZOMG YOU COULD BOX IN CLASSIC THIS ISNT CLASSIC ENUF.

Just my 2cp,
Pedro

[nalkin]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If i was boxing a tank and or a healer, and a dps was LFG near me, I'd snatch them up in a sec because killing faster would = more xp for me.

The thing is you wouldn't be in that situation because youd also be boxing a dps class. The server would come to the point where if you wanted to do anything in this game you would HAVE to box, because everyone else was doing it.

Its a free subscription here, so there is nothing to stop someone from boxing 6 chars. Whereas back in live you had to think... is it worth 60 bucks a month to box vs 10 bucks.

It would, without a doubt, ruin this server.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by nalkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is you wouldn't be in that situation because youd also be boxing a dps class. The server would come to the point where if you wanted to do anything in this game you would HAVE to box, because everyone else was doing it.

Its a free subscription here, so there is nothing to stop someone from boxing 6 chars. Whereas back in live you had to think... is it worth 60 bucks a month to box vs 10 bucks.

It would, without a doubt, ruin this server.

Ok well why not come inbetween, limit the amount of boxes to two, so that it at least allows people who play at non-peak hours a chance to play some of these group based classes so that the pop on the server isnt like 40% Necros/Mages.

When I say allow boxing, I don't want people to be able to box 6, id rather there be at least a limit on it, because yah boxing 6 would be dumb, boxing two on the other hand wouldn't discourage grouping at all imo.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok well why not come inbetween, limit the amount of boxes to two, so that it at least allows people who play at non-peak hours a chance to play some of these group based classes so that the pop on the server isnt like 40% Necros/Mages.

When I say allow boxing, I don't want people to be able to box 6, id rather there be at least a limit on it, because yah boxing 6 would be dumb, boxing two on the other hand wouldn't discourage grouping at all imo.

As I just mentioned above yes that would make sense for the casual player but as soon as boxers got a hold of it, the game would get out of hand as far as open camps. There would be a 50 druid/cleric power leveling some class on every camp levels 1-30. Then the casual players trying to box with two characters that are the same level would be in worse condition then they currently are. This game takes a little time to travel, find groups, and get set up. That is just the way it is, finding groups isn't impossible right now. You should really just try to find the right guild. If you do this you can find people in your range leveling somewhere, and probably get a port to them. It might be hard trying to find a group in the zone you want every time, but you have to be flexible.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...I disagree with the [vocal minority] on this one...

fixed for ya Teeny

/agree Teeny.

Two boxing requires skill and actually playing character(s); powerleveling does not. Two-boxers have formed a lot of groups over the years; powerleveling has never formed a single group.

Hipocracy at its worst.

Do I give a shit if boxing is implemented? No. Do I abhor hipocracy, double-standards, etc.? Yes.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fixed for ya Teeny

/agree Teeny.

Two boxing requires skill and actually playing character(s); powerleveling does not. Two-boxers have formed a lot of groups over the years; powerleveling has never formed a single group.

Hipocracy at its worst.

Do I give a shit if boxing is implemented? No. Do I abhor hipocracy, double-standards, etc.? Yes.

I understand people saying they want the 2 boxing because they want to play a group class, and their schedule may not permit enough time to find a group every time they log on, but thats something they just need to deal with. It's Everquest and thats how it is. This population is about as healthy as it can be right now as far as enough people playing without it being too overcrowded.

The people that would actually use boxing for good would be small compared to the annoyance of boxing from the hardcore players. The last thing we need is 2 people trying to clear Fear or Hate while boxing when there would be an entire guild wanting the opportunity.

For the few that can only log on for a half hour, guess what Everquest isn't for you, its not an instant gratification game. I understand wishing you had more time or wanting changes made so it can fit your play style but for the rest of the people who can play it more often, it can't change to a boxing game. There are downsides and upsides to both arguments, but the argument against boxing is way more legit and sound as far as the community as a whole.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Arclanz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fixed for ya Teeny

/agree Teeny.

Two boxing requires skill and actually playing character(s); powerleveling does not. Two-boxers have formed a lot of groups over the years; powerleveling has never formed a single group.

Hipocracy at its worst.

Do I give a shit if boxing is implemented? No. Do I abhor hipocracy, double-standards, etc.? Yes.

I don't expect someone who can't spell to understand simple logic. So I'll leave it at this for your teeny brains to grasp: P99's success is VERY LARGELY attributed to the fact it does not allow boxing. Boxing will flat-out destroy this server, its community, and sense of adherence to oldschool live.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't expect someone who can't spell to understand simple logic. So I'll leave it at this for your teeny brains to grasp: P99's success is VERY LARGELY attributed to the fact it does not allow boxing. Boxing will flat-out destroy this server, its community, and sense of adherence to oldschool live.

Where is your proof to this statement? I see that all over this post, but you're just floating this idea. This server could have double the population, *not including boxes* if boxing was allowed even at a limited capacity. Just because you think it helps, doesn't mean its true, same can be said for my OPINION. Its an opinion, nothing more, the whole point is to voice our OPINION here. You must watch alot of fox news, your sense for the dramatic is amazing.

I also said, that waiting until kunark to do so would be the smartest, as the population right now wouldn't be able to support 2 boxing, there just wouldn't be enough camps, once kunark is out we will barely be able to fill most of the world then. The population may go up with kunark, I understand, but I do think adding 26 new zones, will stretch people out that much more, causing groups harder to find. This will help that.

What I'm saying is opinion about what I think will happen and nothing more, and what I'd like to see happen. As far as I'm concerned you guys who keep saying that it would ruin classic experience, I think your blind to the fact of how many couples played, how many people two boxed their wifes character in groups, etc etc. Boxing was a monstrous part of EQ live.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Teeny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where is your proof to this statement?

The proof is is the pudding, so to speak. P99 is THE most successful EQEMU server, ever. PEQ's population always hovers in the 300's it seems - at peak - and that population includes all the boxed accounts. And there's nothing really wrong with PEQ...except for the ability to attract new players...and I think boxing has a LOT to do with that.

I've also said once boxing is allowed, it becomes required in order to compete. MOTD: Bring your boxed "whatever" to the next raid, because we have more important things to worry about with the availability our live players.

This becomes even more true through Kunark and Velious, with the increased difficulty of encounters.

All in all, if it ain't broke...why fix it? The population continues to grow, we are nearing 1000+ at peak. I remember the days we were hollering at each other every time it broke 200. Which really wasn't all that long ago...six or seven months, maybe. When Kunark releases, I'll bet we more than double our current peak.

[Teeny]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The proof is is the pudding, so to speak. P99 is THE most successful EQEMU server, ever. PEQ's population always hovers in the 300's it seems - at peak - and that population includes all the boxed accounts. And there's nothing really wrong with PEQ...except for the ability to attract new players...and I think boxing has a LOT to do with that.

I've also said once boxing is allowed, it becomes required in order to compete. MOTD: Bring your boxed "whatever" to the next raid, because we have more important things to worry about with the availability our live players.

This becomes even more true through Kunark and Velious, with the increased difficulty of encounters.

All in all, if it ain't broke...why fix it? The population continues to grow, we are nearing 1000+ at peak. I remember the days we were hollering at each other every time it broke 200. Which really wasn't all that long ago...six or seven months, maybe. When Kunark releases, I'll bet we more than double our current peak.

Just because this is the most popular server has more to do with, the fact of the content moreso than the fact that they disallow boxing. I came back to experience old school gaming, nothing more.