Congratulations Lord Bob

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by A-Aron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyjal claims to have contacted IB and BDA, and were told no? BDA or IB leadership can confirm/deny. Sounds like BS though.

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.

Originally Posted by A-Aron

This is a joke now, right?

Why would it be?

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.

Typically, to contact a particular guild, as a whole, a player would send a tell to someone in said guild and ask to be put in touch with an officer. That's kinda how it works.

If Lord Bob is too stupid to know how to even contact a guild leader, while crying that everyone hates them, then I can't fathom how you guys think they're so clever.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would it be?

I'm pretty sure there was/is an entire thread dedicated to how people reached out to this guild about raid talks and they didn't want to participate. I can't seem to find it, and I'm wondering if it i was in the raid discussion banter that got deleted.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.



Why would it be?

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

[Lojik]

Pretty sure the only time they reached out to guilds was to request mergers.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...? If it was after, and they really were told 'no' in the way Hyjal described, I am not surprised they turned you down =X. If it was before, they may have already been told 'no' by someone else, or they may have just been pissed off at the way they've been treated here.

This is where I take issue with the entire situation with Doljon:

Doljon has been shit on by a large number of guilds from the moment they step foot on the server. Before any of this sky day crap, before any of this raid scene BS, and before any real shenanigans went down during a raid. Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.

This is the same sort of discrimination the Class-R guilds were upset about TMO/FE/IB perpetrating upon them prior to these raid scene talks. 'If you can't play our way, get off our mobs'. That's not right. Class C is there because the Class R guilds couldn't/didn't want to compete with the resources and dedication of TMO/IB/FE. That doesn't mean Doljon should be forced into that battle when they don't have the ability to win just like BDA, AG, and Taken simply because they want to enjoy the game using their preferred playstyle.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.
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Hyjal is a good leader who abandoned his guild for a different tag apparently. Good leader.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyjal is a good leader who abandoned his guild for a different tag apparently. Good leader.

Hyjal still has a Doljon tag.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...? If it was after, and they really were told 'no' in the way Hyjal described, I am not surprised they turned you down =X. If it was before, they may have already been told 'no' by someone else, or they may have just been pissed off at the way they've been treated here.

This is where I take issue with the entire situation with Doljon:

Doljon has been shit on by a large number of guilds from the moment they step foot on the server. Before any of this sky day crap, before any of this raid scene BS, and before any real shenanigans went down during a raid. Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.

This is the same sort of discrimination the Class-R guilds were upset about TMO/FE/IB perpetrating upon them prior to these raid scene talks. 'If you can't play our way, get off our mobs'. That's not right. Class C is there because the Class R guilds couldn't/didn't want to compete with the resources and dedication of TMO/IB/FE. That doesn't mean Doljon should be forced into that battle when they don't have the ability to win just like BDA, AG, and Taken simply because they want to enjoy the game using their preferred playstyle.

This is beyond ridiculous; it is ludicrous.

[Mon Jan 06 12:15:42 2014] You told hyjal, 'yo'
[Mon Jan 06 12:19:08 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'hello'
[Mon Jan 06 12:20:27 2014] You told hyjal, 'I just wanted to ask if anyone had chatted with you about the whole tier2 rotation thing'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:10 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'awaiting gm response myself'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:53 2014] You told hyjal, 'what do you mean?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:54 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:37 2014] You told Hyjal, 'if you don't want to play by the rotation I don't think they'll stop you'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:38 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'

[Mon Jan 06 12:14:40 2014] You told subways, 'any officerson?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:15 2014] Subways tells you, 'yeah'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:22 2014] You told Subways, 'who?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:25 2014] Subways tells you, 'hyjal'
[Mon Jan 06 12:15:34 2014] You told Subways, 'ty'
[Mon Jan 06 12:54:04 2014] Subways tells you, 'was your tell earlier about that teir 2.1 non-sense , cause i know we have targets in mind today'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:13 2014] You told Subways, 'shrug I just wanted to know ifi you were planning to join the rotation thing, and the answer seems to be no, so we'll plan accordingly'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:49 2014] Subways tells you, 'im not an officer , and until 5 mins ago i never heard of any teir 2 guild rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:01 2014] You told subways, 'I don't really think going against it will work out for you but <shrug>'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:09 2014] You told subways, 'thats why I asked if you had heard about it'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:27 2014] You told subways, 'well I tried to ask, Hyjal immediately went afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:44 2014] Subways tells you, 'not sure im trying to get his phone number'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:51 2014] Subways tells you, 'since he has been afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:54 2014] You told Subways, 'my point was this'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:07 2014] You told Subways, 'if you guys want to join I would support you '
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:21 2014] You told Subways, 'because imo rotations don't work unless you allow people to join that want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:26 2014] You told Subways, 'but youhave to want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:59:20 2014] Subways tells you, 'will update as soon as i hear from him'
[Mon Jan 06 13:00:01 2014] You told Subways, 'alright'
[Mon Jan 06 13:51:06 2014] Subways tells you, 'aparently he wants no part of that rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 13:56:48 2014] Subways tells you, 'also a GM told him that thread means nothing, guilds can FFA whatever up to 3 targets ect'
[Mon Jan 06 14:08:39 2014] You told subways, 'yes its purely a player agreement. And I was fairly sure he wasn't interested, I just wanted to put it out there and make sure.'

And this was after Doljo's FIRST POST in the Sky rotation forum which was not 'Hey, we'd like to join' it was 'Fuck you, we're going to do whatever we want'.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...?

Before and after

One of their very first raids they came into Fear while we were there and I explained to them we don't go to planes when other guilds were there and that it's just a etiquette thing. The person I was speaking to said they tried to talk to leadership and that leadership wanted to go anyway.

So to be fair, they didn't exactly start off on the right foot either

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