Congratulations Lord Bob

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by A-aron

Who said they do? This is what's called a strawman.

Naw, it's called sarcasm. In any case,

Originally Posted by A-aron

Every other guild posts in the Sky thread for this. Why are you making the assumption that they contacted guilds individually? Is that something you just assumed?

Doljon as a whole isn't big on the forums. Most of their leadership rarely even comes here. Here's my conversation with their guild leader about the rotation. I approached him because I was concerned about someone raiding sky outside of the rotation causing a potential headache for the staff.

[Wed Dec 25 12:58:44 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was just curious what you guys were told when you tried to get into the sky rotation?'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] You told Hyjal, 'its not something gm's enforce, but i had heard several stories about what happened and was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'that we are uncapale of doing it'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:19 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'uncapable'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:56 2013] You told Hyjal, 'anything else...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:07 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'honestly, were not use to rotations. the end game dragons/gods are not on a rotation'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'but for some reason sky is. we are unable to compete with dragons, gods'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:22 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'currently at least'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:45 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'our only options are the planes. we asked about rotation when we first started, but was told we were uncapable of doign the plane'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:01 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'so we just have gone against the grain i guess'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:34 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was there any justification as to why you couldn't handle clearing sky...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:02 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'nope, just that we havent proven anything basically'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'the initial hostility definitely set the tone for us. we have gone more toward an FTE environment'


[Wed Dec 25 13:17:36 2013] You told Hyjal, 'i have no idea who decides on the sky rotation, i dont think its any one person'
[Wed Dec 25 13:17:45 2013] You told Hyjal, 'thats why i was wondering who had told you no'
[Wed Dec 25 13:18:44 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'ah. i asked random folks in ib, and bregan at first'

Unless Doljon's guild leader was straight up lying to me in this conversation, which he really had no reason to do considering I had already expressed to him that we don't enforce the Sky rotation, I'd say my info is correct regarding Doljon being told 'no' is correct.

Maybe Doljonijiarnimorinar should have tried harder to get on the rotation, I can't speak to that. But I can say that if I had asked about getting on the rotation and was told 'no, you aren't good enough for sky,' I wouldn't be thrilled about pursuing the issue further either.

I rarely just 'assume' things, A-aron, and when I do, I make sure it's a solid assumption backed by evidence first. Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

Didn't someone (Splorf I think) post screenshots of trying to reach out to them about raid talks and they didn't want to join in the negotiations?

[Aaron]

Hyjal claims to have contacted IB and BDA, and were told no? BDA or IB leadership can confirm/deny. Sounds like BS though.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

This is a joke now, right?

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by A-Aron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyjal claims to have contacted IB and BDA, and were told no? BDA or IB leadership can confirm/deny. Sounds like BS though.

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.

Originally Posted by A-Aron

This is a joke now, right?

Why would it be?

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.

Typically, to contact a particular guild, as a whole, a player would send a tell to someone in said guild and ask to be put in touch with an officer. That's kinda how it works.

If Lord Bob is too stupid to know how to even contact a guild leader, while crying that everyone hates them, then I can't fathom how you guys think they're so clever.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would it be?

I'm pretty sure there was/is an entire thread dedicated to how people reached out to this guild about raid talks and they didn't want to participate. I can't seem to find it, and I'm wondering if it i was in the raid discussion banter that got deleted.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you just assuming...? If Hyjal contacted any member of BDA or IB about being on the Sky rotation, whether they were an officer or not, they should not have been told no.



Why would it be?

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

[Lojik]

Pretty sure the only time they reached out to guilds was to request mergers.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I contacted them. Twice. Got blown off twice. I think I even offered to try and work out sharing a slot with 'em.

They had no interest :\

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...? If it was after, and they really were told 'no' in the way Hyjal described, I am not surprised they turned you down =X. If it was before, they may have already been told 'no' by someone else, or they may have just been pissed off at the way they've been treated here.

This is where I take issue with the entire situation with Doljon:

Doljon has been shit on by a large number of guilds from the moment they step foot on the server. Before any of this sky day crap, before any of this raid scene BS, and before any real shenanigans went down during a raid. Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.

This is the same sort of discrimination the Class-R guilds were upset about TMO/FE/IB perpetrating upon them prior to these raid scene talks. 'If you can't play our way, get off our mobs'. That's not right. Class C is there because the Class R guilds couldn't/didn't want to compete with the resources and dedication of TMO/IB/FE. That doesn't mean Doljon should be forced into that battle when they don't have the ability to win just like BDA, AG, and Taken simply because they want to enjoy the game using their preferred playstyle.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hyjal is a good leader who's guild is being shunned because he doesn't want to play within the class-r player enforced rotation.
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Hyjal is a good leader who abandoned his guild for a different tag apparently. Good leader.