In Response, How many would start on a new blue server?

[Shaakglith12194]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

[bled12345]

Originally Posted by Shaakglith12194 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by bled12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

my bad, somehow missed that.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

You are stretching the truth quite a bit there. No one would deny that no-lifers would ruin any number of recreations, whether they be a wipe or a new server, but it wouldn't be as bad as blue currently is for a long time. The logic behind it? Just that - time. No matter how hard the neckbeards poopsock camps they can't magically inflate the economy 50x faster than it was done on blue. They certainly can't do it without all the exploits and overpowered gear they had access to for years. There are several relatively major changes that have been or could be made to greatly extend the lifespan of the economy as well. Bard kiting being marginally dealt with, Sro AC being nerfed, raid policy, account trades being banned, loads of gear that shouldn't have been in, tons of non-classic mechanics that were absolutely broken, etc etc. They could potentially make minor changes that would greatly improve the server's longevity as well. What the hell does farming seafuries bring to the server? 0% fun and 100% vendor generated plat. It bloats the economy with 50-100k every day for no reason other than Verant shit the bed. Implementing it doesn't do anything beneficial for the server, and if anyone whines "classic! classic! I miss my nostalgic seafury gems!" you can just grin knowing you screwed over a greedy lying bitch. And who doesn't love that?

As far as your "there is no spoon" concept of 'classic' goes.. My dad doesn't have a computer or internet.. does that mean the internet and computers don't exist? That argument makes no sense. Every time he leaves his house he has to have some interactions with something that is ran off the internet or computers. In the same manner, even if it is only related to the economy, a player who refuses to use kunark spells/gear/levels still has interactions with Kunark, and thus it is not classic. EDIT - Though I should say that I don't have a different opinion. Just because a bunch of people arrived late to the party doesn't mean blue should be wiped. I only joined a few months before Kunark, and while I do wish I could have enjoyed it more, I don't think that alone is reason enough to wipe/clone the server.

I'm not going to claim some arbitrary number of people want a new blue and therefore it's the right decision, but the reasons for it are simple, obvious and very much more logical than maintaining a broken, stagnant server that was ran with overpowered gear and numerous exploits for years. Not bashing any staff here. I didn't know stuff like sky gear/blue diamond jewelry wasn't in yet either, it's simply a fact that this is the way the server existed. Furthermore it's obviously not the staff's fault that the timeline is borked, but it's something else that could easily be fixed with a reboot.

Well.. not like I ever expect them to actually do any of this. Just hopeful wishing.

[Solb]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

^ Always angry. Sometimes, people disagree, and no one is right or wrong. Ever thought that maybe some people simply like different experiences than you, Tecmos? Maybe some people enjoy starting on a new server. Regardless of all the negatives you mention, there are lots of positives that you fail to mention when a new server starts up.