Here's your chance to influence LnS

[Nothxu]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why Nihilum is raising hell over this when they clearly have the numbers, tactics, organization, and leadership to continue dominating in this kind of environment boggles my mind.

We are raising hell over this because Tune (an officer) / Spectre (a senior member and excellent pvper) were banned over rules that were clearly implemented without server feedback and without clear guidance.

We have people in our guild that do not even want to pvp because it is not worth getting banned for something, especially because it seems GMs are banning first, and then asking questions later. Why does that "boggle" your mind?

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you make some rules up arbitrarily without input from the vast majority of the player base, ban a handful of people over such rules, admit the rules weren't well thought out and need to be changed and still refuse to unban the players?

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on? Anyone who thinks that is not a rational solution is just trying to further their agenda.

No need to muddy the waters. If you are saying players of this fine box wanting to clean up the server is an agenda then so be it. You need to follow the rules in place period. Yes, there is always room for improvement and server feedback but trying to change the rules and then going back in time to say previous infractions don't count doesn't make sense.

Couple that with the disrespect some players have shown to the GMs/Devs, whose names shall remain nameless, and you have a clear reason to uphold the judgement that has been laid upon them.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Nothxu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are raising hell over this because Tune (an officer) / Spectre (a senior member and excellent pvper) were banned over rules that were clearly implemented without server feedback and without clear guidance.

We have people in our guild that do not even want to pvp because it is not worth getting banned for something, especially because it seems GMs are banning first, and then asking questions later. Why does that "boggle" your mind?

If you have questions about whether or not you can kill a naked players in game that have called LnS message me. I will help you out.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like every post you make is filled with misinformation and propaganda.

Pretty sure Tune's log show him hitting that player with an AoE as well. But that player should never have been targetted and hit. We told people to be careful.

Bronkus is not banned or suspended.

Where did I say anything about previous rules violations as it applies to Tune and Spectre's bans? I've stated that previous violations should affect future sentences. I never said anything about it affecting Tune's or Spectres.

Spectre attacked/killed multiple people on LnS. Yes, I only witnessed one in person, but saw several others in YT, and received a petition from Spectre himself about him killing players on LnS.

I've never commented on any of those players whistles. I am not so foolish as to think they are all paragons of virtue and justice. There are good and bad apples in all guilds.

Yes... Tune tried to reason with me about his ban... by making 10 forum threads and 200 posts in the red forums, instead of being patient and waiting. A week hadn't even gone by and he started his trail of tears. I never once told him or Spectre their bans were permanent. Raging out publicly over a GM decision is a terrible way to get a ban lifted under any circumstances.

Forumquest is fun. Do I lose XP on death if I get pk'd?

Just one question I have from this post...

If Tune's AOE had killed him instead of a tab target single swing in melee would he still be in violation?

[Nothxu]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on?

This. You can fix this by unbanning / removing suspensions for all PnP related issues, and implementing new rules that we are discussing in this thread.

[canardvc]

Originally Posted by Gongshow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A step in the right direction, but this still seems confusing.

Can we just get a thing called "logical LNS"? This is where anything that EQ PVP encompasses, including bind rushing, rezzing, corpse camping to an extent, is allowed. Once one side calls LNS, the winning guild allows the losing guild to LNS and move along, and they agree to not contest that zone/mob for an hour.

This allows everyone to enjoy EQ PVP to the fullest, and also prevents anyone from getting corpse camped and having their evening ruined by being camped, etc. This also prevents bannings that harm the server population due to confusing rules. Bans should be saved for MQ and other stupid things, such as RL threats, GM attacks, etc.

Logical LNS 2014.

GongShow : Most Quoted 2014

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to muddy the waters. If you are saying players of this fine box wanting to clean up the server is an agenda then so be it. You need to follow the rules in place period. Yes, there is always room for improvement and server feedback but trying to change the rules and then going back in time to say previous infractions don't count doesn't make sense.

Couple that with the disrespect some players have shown to the GMs/Devs, whose names shall remain nameless, and you have a clear reason to uphold the judgement that has been laid upon them.

You need to stop with the "just follow the rules" argument. Even the person who implemented them has stated they didn't work.

In your mind to "clean up the box" that means getting rid of people you don't like by whatever means necessary, in just fashion or not. That is the very specific issue I have with your methodology. Tune is a pain in your ass, not because he cheats, not because he is exploiting or hacking, but simply because he spends a lot of time online and actively hunts down people in your guild. He makes life difficult for newer players and fresh level 52+ characters. Hiding behind some vague PNP rule that has already been confirmed not working by the staff is just a way for you to veil your ultimate goal, getting rid of the competition. It's pathetic, transparent and obvious to anyone with half a brain.

The amusing thing is many members of RD/Azrael do the exact same thing, just less effectively. I've watched it with my own two eyes as my brother levels up his monk.

[chu]

if you let naked players run back into mass pvp without corpse camping them that was a very dumb move, regardless of what the rules say. red dawn proved time and time again that regardless of what was shouted/said/petitioned that they were going to bindrush. kill them naked until leadership throws in the towel. that is the only smart play

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forumquest is fun. Do I lose XP on death if I get pk'd?

players can be (and often are) petty, CSR members shouldn't be.

[chu]

they're volunteers, remember to hold them to zero standards plz