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[Kergan]

So you make some rules up arbitrarily without input from the vast majority of the player base, ban a handful of people over such rules, admit the rules weren't well thought out and need to be changed and still refuse to unban the players?

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on? Anyone who thinks that is not a rational solution is just trying to further their agenda.

[chu]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on? Anyone who thinks that is not a rational solution is just trying to further their agenda.

this 10000x

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you make some rules up arbitrarily without input from the vast majority of the player base, ban a handful of people over such rules, admit the rules weren't well thought out and need to be changed and still refuse to unban the players?

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on? Anyone who thinks that is not a rational solution is just trying to further their agenda.

No need to muddy the waters. If you are saying players of this fine box wanting to clean up the server is an agenda then so be it. You need to follow the rules in place period. Yes, there is always room for improvement and server feedback but trying to change the rules and then going back in time to say previous infractions don't count doesn't make sense.

Couple that with the disrespect some players have shown to the GMs/Devs, whose names shall remain nameless, and you have a clear reason to uphold the judgement that has been laid upon them.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to muddy the waters. If you are saying players of this fine box wanting to clean up the server is an agenda then so be it. You need to follow the rules in place period. Yes, there is always room for improvement and server feedback but trying to change the rules and then going back in time to say previous infractions don't count doesn't make sense.

Couple that with the disrespect some players have shown to the GMs/Devs, whose names shall remain nameless, and you have a clear reason to uphold the judgement that has been laid upon them.

You need to stop with the "just follow the rules" argument. Even the person who implemented them has stated they didn't work.

In your mind to "clean up the box" that means getting rid of people you don't like by whatever means necessary, in just fashion or not. That is the very specific issue I have with your methodology. Tune is a pain in your ass, not because he cheats, not because he is exploiting or hacking, but simply because he spends a lot of time online and actively hunts down people in your guild. He makes life difficult for newer players and fresh level 52+ characters. Hiding behind some vague PNP rule that has already been confirmed not working by the staff is just a way for you to veil your ultimate goal, getting rid of the competition. It's pathetic, transparent and obvious to anyone with half a brain.

The amusing thing is many members of RD/Azrael do the exact same thing, just less effectively. I've watched it with my own two eyes as my brother levels up his monk.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You need to stop with the "just follow the rules" argument. Even the person who implemented them has stated they didn't work.

In your mind to "clean up the box" that means getting rid of people you don't like by whatever means necessary, in just fashion or not. That is the very specific issue I have with your methodology. Tune is a pain in your ass, not because he cheats, not because he is exploiting or hacking, but simply because he spends a lot of time online and actively hunts down people in your guild. He makes life difficult for newer players and fresh level 52+ characters. Hiding behind some vague PNP rule that has already been confirmed not working by the staff is just a way for you to veil your ultimate goal, getting rid of the competition. It's pathetic, transparent and obvious to anyone with half a brain.

The amusing thing is many members of RD/Azrael do the exact same thing, just less effectively. I've watched it with my own two eyes as my brother levels up his monk.

Tune has never killed me. I'm not hiding behind anything. I have watched you try to reduce Tune's crimes to accidentally auto attacking one individual which makes your case look worse than it already is. Tune did it to several players the same night right in front of GMs after it was clear these rules were instated and would be enforced. It was a clear power struggle between Tune and the GMs and he lost. There have also been other suspensions throughout his time on the box, which you always leave out of the argument even though it is more relevant than 99% of what you post.

After all that Tune takes this opportunity away from the game to come on the forums and declare war on the GMs through forumquesting.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tune has never killed me. I'm not hiding behind anything. I have watched you try to reduce Tune's crimes to accidentally auto attacking one individual which makes your case look worse than it already is. Tune did it to several players the same night right in front of GMs after it was clear these rules were instated and would be enforced. It was a clear power struggle between Tune and the GMs and he lost. There have also been other suspensions throughout his time on the box, which you always leave out of the argument even though it is more relevant than 99% of what you post.

After all that Tune takes this opportunity away from the game to come on the forums and declare war on the GMs through forumquesting.

You are aware what you described never actually happened right? It was a single player that night, Exed. And you are also aware Derubal stated that previous suspensions were not necessarily part of the equation? And I'm sure you're aware that all of this happened before Tune's forumquesting so that has zero relevance to the ban.

This is what we know: Tune was banned for breaking a LNS rule that was later declared BY THE AUTHOR to be non practical and non functional. Like I said, only someone with a blatant agenda to get Tune banned from the box by whatever means necessary would argue the fact that he should have the ban lifted for that specific crime. He has served his time for a minor violation of an unclear rule that has since been declared as poorly written. Not to mention that the punishment never fit the crime in the first place even if those rules were to stay in place. Hopefully that is something we can address in the new PNP rules.

[chu]

dont try to reason with him
hippo has proven to either be a) retarded or b) on a propaganda quest
either way theres no point to argue just smile, nod, and scroll past

[Nothxu]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it not be a fair solution to redo the rules based on player feedback, unban those who received punishment during the previous failed ruleset and move on?

This. You can fix this by unbanning / removing suspensions for all PnP related issues, and implementing new rules that we are discussing in this thread.

[chu]

if you let naked players run back into mass pvp without corpse camping them that was a very dumb move, regardless of what the rules say. red dawn proved time and time again that regardless of what was shouted/said/petitioned that they were going to bindrush. kill them naked until leadership throws in the towel. that is the only smart play

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by chu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you let naked players run back into mass pvp without corpse camping them that was a very dumb move, regardless of what the rules say. red dawn proved time and time again that regardless of what was shouted/said/petitioned that they were going to bindrush. kill them naked until leadership throws in the towel. that is the only smart play

BTW this player says this but he hasn't done it once since PnP went in. Not only talking about mass pvp but he hasn't corpse camped anyone that was following PnP procedure.

Looks like it is all talk.