Class C loses mobs on every repop?

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do t say this often, but luckily for me you qualify. You are a idiot. Nowhere did i say any of that. I have a solution for you, first, learn to comprehend. Second, any guild can compete in vp, all they have to do is move to c-class it is a simple choice, but the premise behind c-class was that any c-class guild could engage any c-class mob at any time, if you would shut the hell up and listen, you would understand that is not the case. C-class is a gm forced rotation, which is exactly opposite of what it was intended to be. You all bitched equality, but how well you are now preaching a different story, congrats you made master hypocrit status. And before you go calling me out, yoi shoukd, know I do not even raid on p99, but its funny to listen to r-class defend the bag limit on repop, when is does fundamentally what they kept fighting to prevent. You cannot fight for a system to create an equal playstyle raid scene, that fits both playstyles, then constrict the rules, thus making it only one playstyle on repops. If you cannot grasp this, that is ok, I do nkt expect you to. Think narrowminded and keep your tunnel vision, it has gotten yoh this far. Oh and please do add another reply filled with colorful adverbs.

I am pretty sure this message would look good framed in a plaque or something, loll. Thats epic writing right there.

[goshozal]

Class R can compete for any mob outside of VP.

Not going after the class C mobs is their choice.

[goshozal]

Exactly. Class R guilds can go after whatever they want. They're choosing not to compete for more pixels, because they're sticking to the freebies that class C cannot touch.

So... if R can go for C mobs but choose not to, why should C pay the penalty? Are the R guilds trying to... deny us mobs?

Where have I heard that accusation before?

[skorge]

after reading a couple pages all i can think to myself is this:

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[lazcar]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. Class R guilds can go after whatever they want. They're choosing not to compete for more pixels, because they're sticking to the freebies that class C cannot touch.

So... if R can go for C mobs but choose not to, why should C pay the penalty? Are the R guilds trying to... deny us mobs?

Where have I heard that accusation before?

You are not being denied anything. Class r guilds are allowed the same number of mobs on repop class c. But wait!!!! They also get vp. Lol. Lol. Deal with it.

[Troubled]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

[lazcar]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

No your logic is perfect, tmo/fe/ib that are complaining are just greedy.

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3 C guilds atm, allowed 6 targets outside VP. 6 out of 11, provided those 6 are C or FFA. What's the problem? 6 mobs + VP for 3 guilds. 5 mobs left for the rest of the server if you beat R guilds to the FFA targets. It seems fine. You don't have to take every single target that is available, every single time. You are getting the lion's share. 12 of 17. 70?ish%. Is my logic flawed or is this right?

The issue is any class-c guild should be able to compete for any class-c mob, not restricted. There should never be a circumstance where Class-C mobs are not able to be engaged by Class-c period. The idea of the 2 classes was to divide the mobs equally among PLAY STYLES not GUILDS, yet you are justifying more mobs for R-Class on respawn because of the number of guilds. The whole point of Class-Competition was that any class-c mob would be in danger of being taken at any time, whether it be another class-c or a class-r guild. But FFA mobs are not really FFA if they take away a Class-C ability to attack a Class-c mob due to lockout. That CONTRADICTS the even playing field for Class-R and Class-C, which oddly the even share of mobs per class style is what Class-R kept preaching in raid negotiations. I never heard mention during the negotions that class-c should ever be restricted for killing class-c mobs, after all Class-R never is. You keep falling back to vp as being mobs handed to class-c, ok make them FFA all the time. See what the result would be. It is pointless arguing its simple math, the 2-mob cap makes FFA mobs not FFA for class-c cause it makes them trade on their 1/1/1 mob for a ffa, where it does not make Class-R, give up a Class-r mob to class-c, in order to kill a FFA. This would basically mean that Class-R is given more open world mobs, because they do not wish to compete in vp?

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue is any class-c guild should be able to compete for any class-c mob, not restricted. There should never be a circumstance where Class-C mobs are not able to be engaged by Class-c period. The idea of the 2 classes was to divide the mobs equally among PLAY STYLES not GUILDS, yet you are justifying more mobs for R-Class on respawn because of the number of guilds. The whole point of Class-Competition was that any class-c mob would be in danger of being taken at any time, whether it be another class-c or a class-r guild. But FFA mobs are not really FFA if they take away a Class-C ability to attack a Class-c mob due to lockout. That CONTRADICTS the even playing field for Class-R and Class-C, which oddly the even share of mobs per class style is what Class-R kept preaching in raid negotiations. I never heard mention during the negotions that class-c should ever be restricted for killing class-c mobs, after all Class-R never is. You keep falling back to vp as being mobs handed to class-c, ok make them FFA all the time. See what the result would be. It is pointless arguing its simple math, the 2-mob cap makes FFA mobs not FFA for class-c cause it makes them trade on their 1/1/1 mob for a ffa, where it does not make Class-R, give up a Class-r mob to class-c, in order to kill a FFA. This would basically mean that Class-R is given more open world mobs, because they do not wish to compete in vp?

The problem with removing a bag limit on C class though, while I agree in principle, is in practice then FFA mobs will be taken out first with an agreement made in C to not touch C mobs until FFA mobs are dead, imo. Why do I think that? You did it for VP on this spawn. Why didn't anyone enter VP until good mobs outside VP were dead? The bag limit makes you weigh your decisions more heavily, while still getting the majority of the server's kills within the class C guilds.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

CLass C greedily took the Trakanon and VS from FFA pool and still had Inny, Sev, Fay, and Gore from class C. AS IT WAS THIER CHOICE TO DO SO. Then you went to VP and split 6 dragons that no one else could touch.

wat

Factoring in VP dragons to some kind of equality arguement is kind of dumb because only one of the "class R" guilds really has any significant amount of keys in the first place. Maybe after a few more months of class R guilds getting some trak kills in you could try revisiting that complaint.

Its unbelievable how angry people are that VP went smoothly and had 0 drama involved though. Im sorry that you guys were waiting anxiously to read/post/popcorn mode when the shit hit the fan but it never did.