GMs already contradicting themselves

[arsenalpow]

I'm pretty interested in seeing what "creative" solutions the hardcore sides come up with to generate an advantage. They're always the best at thinking outside the box when it comes to gettin dem pixels.

[Kagatob]

All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.

Still going in the wrong direction.
If you are going to try to punish the neckbeard guilds make them have force in zone. They are pixel greedy enough to do it and the other guilds are not pixel greedy enough to care about it and will go on with their lives while the neckbeards go on with their not lives.

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still going in the wrong direction.
If you are going to try to punish the neckbeard guilds make them have force in zone. They are pixel greedy enough to do it and the other guilds are not pixel greedy enough to care about it and will go on with their lives while the neckbeards go on with their not lives.

Combine that with the no stalling rule + the no kiting rule that was already in place and see what happens.

Guilds just need to make sure they don't keep the person with FTE alive by doing something stupid like pulling the mob off them. Let them die, logout/port/coh/let die anyone who may have caught agro racing for FTE and then snag FTE yourself when the mob resets.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still going in the wrong direction.
If you are going to try to punish the neckbeard guilds make them have force in zone. They are pixel greedy enough to do it and the other guilds are not pixel greedy enough to care about it and will go on with their lives while the neckbeards go on with their not lives.

I am still waiting to hear your miracle solution [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

help us, kagatob, you're our only hope!

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still waiting to hear your miracle solution [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

help us, kagatob, you're our only hope!

I can't wait to see his constructive criticism response.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still waiting to hear your miracle solution [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

help us, kagatob, you're our only hope!

I've posted it several times. You even quoted me in this very thread. Do 3 simple goddamn things and everything else will fall into place.

Kill variance. (Not classic)
Nix FTE (even less classic)
Enforce force in zone/near spawn + PNP (both classic)

Result: TMO parked at ::insert VP mob here 24/7::, FE parked at ::insert VP mob not the one TMO is currently socking::.

While this is happening the rest of the server can do/raid whatever the fuck they want, however the fuck they want. They will hardly ever poopsock because this isn't hardcore land where virtual life > basement life.

Last but certainly not least. It will end the Fraps rules laying era.

The only ones against such a policy are the ones who would be willing to sock anyway (the 2.5%).

Inb4 casual scum/who are you

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've posted it several times. You even quoted me in this very thread. Do 3 simple goddamn things and everything else will fall into place.

Kill variance. (Not classic)
Nix FTE (even less classic)
Enforce force in zone/near spawn + PNP (both classic)

Result: TMO parked at ::insert VP mob here 24/7::, FE parked at ::insert VP mob not the one TMO is currently socking::.

While this is happening the rest of the server can do/raid whatever the fuck they want, however the fuck they want. They will hardly ever poopsock because this isn't hardcore land where virtual life > basement life.

Last but certainly not least. It will end the Fraps rules laying era.

The only ones against such a policy are the ones who would be willing to sock anyway (the 2.5%).

Inb4 casual scum/who are you

TMO endorses this plan 100% please implement asap.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO endorses this plan 100% please implement asap.

The reverse psychology won't work. Sorry. Gonna ignore anything the 2.5% say even if you agree with me.

Next!

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've posted it several times. You even quoted me in this very thread. Do 3 simple goddamn things and everything else will fall into place.

Kill variance. (Not classic)
Nix FTE (even less classic)
Enforce force in zone/near spawn + PNP (both classic)

Result: TMO parked at ::insert VP mob here 24/7::, FE parked at ::insert VP mob not the one TMO is currently socking::.

While this is happening the rest of the server can do/raid whatever the fuck they want, however the fuck they want. They will hardly ever poopsock because this isn't hardcore land where virtual life > basement life.

Last but certainly not least. It will end the Fraps rules laying era.

The only ones against such a policy are the ones who would be willing to sock anyway (the 2.5%).

Inb4 casual scum/who are you

FE parks 15 toons at VS spawn, 15 toons at tal, and 15 toons at trak. TMO parks 15 toons at CT, 15 toons at inny and 15 toons at sev. They leave vp alone cause vp sucks and they're the only two guilds that can get in anyway. No variance means they know when each of these mobs will spawn, so they set up their force 6.9 days in advance to make sure they are the first ones there. Engage afk poopsock, rotate guards to make sure your afk force doesn't get wiped by a pathing mob. Once mob spawns and goes down, re-engage afk poopsock. Mobs locked forever, gg.

The fact that tiggles endorsed your plan so quickly should clue you into why its such a horrible idea. We took these mechanics and rules out for a reason. First in force on a server like this is literally the worst possible way to handle the raid scene.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE parks 15 toons at VS spawn, 15 toons at tal, and 15 toons at trak. TMO parks 15 toons at CT, 15 toons at inny and 15 toons at sev. They leave vp alone cause vp sucks and they're the only two guilds that can get in anyway. No variance means they know when each of these mobs will spawn, so they set up their force 6.9 days in advance to make sure they are the first ones there. Engage afk poopsock, rotate guards to make sure your afk force doesn't get wiped by a pathing mob. Once mob spawns and goes down, re-engage afk poopsock. Mobs locked forever, gg.

Sorry I did it again. I forgot to mention banning camping alt armies at mobs. That common sense thing that if not explicitly mentioned would be exploited.

You also failed to address that you would want to have different numbers to constitute what would be a "raid force" for each individual mob. It might only take 15 players for a top tier maxed out raid guild 2 years after Kunark released to kill the mob, but that's also not classic expectations. Maybe you should look at a classic raid force of, oh I dunno... 36 people?

Oh, because TMO will have 216 people out 24/7 at the mobs you mentioned. Ok, so that's 216 people who aren't shitting up the rest of the server. I fail to see how that's a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that tiggles endorsed your plan so quickly should clue you into why its such a horrible idea. We took these mechanics and rules out for a reason. First in force on a server like this is literally the worst possible way to handle the raid scene.

Lurn2RnF. Only then will you know why he replied the way he did at the speed he did.